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  1. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    Interesting questions. I refer to Abraham's spiritual descendants as either "Christians", or "Spiritual Israel". I'm not sure about calling them (us) Jacob, since that is before God changed him. That might be like saying "Abram's spiritual descendants", when God changed him to Abraham...
  2. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    What is the difference between "historic premill" vs "regular premill"? On a slightly different note, I believe that the land promises have been fulfilled based on Joshua 21:43-45, Joshua 23:14-15, and several other passages. I believe Genesis 17 is about Abraham's spiritual descendants.
  3. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    In my view, most of the events of Revelation (as well as most other "end times prophecy") came to pass with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70. We are still looking forward to the return of Christ, of course. With your comments, I must confess that the release of Satan does...
  4. Lodic

    Eschatology Agnostics

    As @church mouse guy said, "good post". I never thought much about the "End Times" from the time I was saved (1978) until about 2007. I'd never even heard the term "eschatology". Instead, I just blindly believed what the "prophecy pundits" fed me. After all, these guys had really studied...
  5. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    That makes perfect sense, percho.
  6. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    Good point, Brother David. When it comes to theology, I thought that "dispensations" typically refers to different "ages". In the scriptures you quoted, you make me think of how a doctor dispenses medicine.
  7. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    The reason John repeated the phrase "1,000 years" in Rev. 20 was to use the same "point of reference". That is, he kept referring to the same "long period of time". Since he used "1,000 years" to begin with, he stayed with it. That doesn't make it a literal 1,000 years. I don't believe we...
  8. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    Round numbers generally mean either an approximation or a large amount. It's really no different from us saying that there must have been a million people at an event. As you noted earlier, Scripture uses the same type of language in Psalm 50:10, Psalm 85:10, Deuteronomy 32:30, Joshua 23:10...
  9. Lodic

    Babies In Hell 2

    I'm familiar with the passage, of course. Since Christ is victorious over death and the grave, everyone who has ever died, having faith in Him, has gone on to Heaven.
  10. Lodic

    Babies In Hell 2

    So you contend that the OT saints are in Hades / Sheol until the Resurrection of the Dead? If so, what of those who died after Christ's Resurrection? Are they also in Hades, or did they go to Heaven?
  11. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    Regardless of how many times "1,000 years" is used in Rev. 20, it is still symbolic of a very long time. Satan was loosed per verses 7-8, and he did deceive the nations. Gog and Magog are symbolic references to a battle in Ezekiel 38-39, not a future battle. There are no references to Gog and...
  12. Lodic

    Babies In Hell 2

    Since this is a continuation of the previous "Babies in Hell" discussion, I would like to address some points made by @percho. If it's against the rules to carry over discussions, I do apologize. 1 Thess. 4:16 is about our resurrected bodies, to be sure. You also quoted Ro. 6:5, which is also...
  13. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    A Partial Preterist, to be precise. Other than that, I am a pretty good Baptist, though :).
  14. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    Actually, I believe the "great tribulation" was during the Jewish War of AD 66-70, ending with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. You will notice that is only 3 1/2 years. The Bible doesn't specify a 7 year tribulation. "Pre-trib" only makes sense in context of "the Rapture", which...
  15. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    Thank you. You obviously know your history well. Now that you bring that up, I do remember that the Romans withdrew unexpectedly, at which time the Christians were able to escape to Pella.
  16. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    Yes, the Christians heeded the warning Jesus gave them, and fled to Pella. I thought Jerusalem was surrounded by General Titus, or is Cestius another name that he is known by? Anyway, the Christians went through 3 1/2 years of tribulation before leaving Jerusalem. Daniel 12 does speak of the...
  17. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    I definitely believe in the Second Advent, when Jesus will physically return to Earth some day. I don't believe that all the Christians alive at His Coming will be "raptured" away like in the "Left Behind" series, where they will disappear and "join the Lord in the air".
  18. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    I take it you mean the physical resurrection of believers as opposed to that of Jesus. On that point, I must admit some confusion. I mean, don't the spirits of all who die before Christ returns go straight to Heaven? Is everyone going to receive a new physical body with His return?
  19. Lodic

    Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions

    As a Partial Preterist, I completely concur. Of course, our "Full Preterist" friends would probably disagree. Comes down to interpretation, I guess.
  20. Lodic

    Raising your hands in worship?

    I attended several different types of churches in my early years of following Christ. In my experience, the Assemblies of God and some "non-denominational" congregations raised their hands a lot during the music part of the service. When I first started attending Baptist churches, they were...
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