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I feel like my tension lies in the fact that through all the OT and NT the common thread (along with the coming of Christ) is that God wants all His people to come to saving knowledge of Him through Christ. "Joshua 24:15 King James Version (KJV) 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve...

Don't worry van. I'm not a Calvinist :p :thumbs:

I probably dont have the vocabulary to best explain my position - however from what i read in the Bible there is an obvious tension between choice and a calling of some sort ; therefore I can only accept this tension and best try to explain it with what little human knowledge i have.

Todd friel went over open air preaching in regards to quotes by spurgeon (not sure about the book) but there is no doubt spurgeon loved open air.

I would say the verse is quite clear that whosoever believes will be saved. Not who was predetermined. So then I would say if this is true, and the Bible doesn't contradict itself. The idea that some are predestined and some are not,(I would say) is incompatible with Whosoever will. (2 Pe 3:9)...

Lets get some scripture rolling in here... So i have more things to read and drink sweet tea to. One thing I have always wondered and been curious about (and it should be an easy one for the cal team as its a popular verse). John 3:16 King James Version (KJV) 16 For God so loved the world...

Are you saying he Didn't? I have always heard it and read it this way. That Jesus drank the cup of Gods wrath (Ma 27:46). If you want to call that 'turning his back', I suppose you could. However Penal substitution atonement had to be fulfilled so that we might be made right with God through His...

really enjoying these vids. Thanks for the link!

I love this - thought i would share.

Some of this stuff is pretty cerebral for me. I see your position on the first text I mentioned, I can see now the link of the eternal security aspect. I take issue with the method of the way that writer, takes specific lines that have anything to do with predestination and lines them all up...

still have to read through all you have posted, However I feel like you would like this book I purchased...I was looking for a book that wasnt reformed theology however it ended up being reformed. Elemental Theology emery H. Bancroft dont know if you ever heard of it. Sounds like your kind of...

Kind of a fun question. What do you all/yall do for work? or did you do for work if your a retiree.

Iconoclast, Curious question for you sir. with that John 6:37 verse The first half - I can see how it could be read as the view of those used by irresistable grace to be brought to Christ. The latter half though. "him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." it reads as this person is...

Hey Van, Thanks for your responses, Interesting read for sure. :) I agree with discipleship for sure!, It was something I enjoyed going through and something we encourage for new converts in the church. Thanks again for your time in your write ups.

im sorry, I dont see what is funny about my post. I gave an honest answer to a serious question. If you would like to mock me for it, please send it to me directly outside of the public forum in a PM. Thank you.

woah thats... crazy.

I have heard both sides. Terms: so that deacons have a rest Full time: So that everyone is always on the same page. our church does terms.

There was a time when I drifted after I got saved and this happened. Haunts me everyday.

If this be the case though, Couldn't someone feel like they are saved though, and live in sin still.. You hear it all the time when you watch Way of the master vids. That statement just sounds a bit sketchy. especially since the hear is deceitful and wicked above all things. Ok so then this...

I just love at the end of the predestination joke, he just moves into his topic. gets me every time.