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Correct. The passage is not speaking of spiritual death per se, but in no way takes away from the reality of Adam's spiritual death.

Also blood is a definer of life. Lev. 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life. Lev. 17:14 because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I...

You are simply wrong about this Jon. This is not my argument, this is a well-known Hebrew idiom which denotes certainty, not immediacy. As MM mentioned, we have another example of this exact phrase in the Shemei Solomon account. I would invite you to read up on this. Why did Adam not Die...

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A common nomenclature error of old earthers. They conflate modern scientific terms with ancient terms translated into modern english. I've heard some creationists say plants and insects are better understood as biological machines, rather than living beings. Makes sense, being they lack any...

The difference is, God's used the specific phrase in the day. It specifically means that Adam would be marked for death on the specific day he disobeyed God. This is why your view cannot be compatible with the Text. Your view is that Adam proved what he already was by failing to obey God...

This is actually a bad argument for Adam's spiritual death, long debunked. Adam did spiritually die, but bad arguments don't help the cause. The Hebrew idiom dying you will die, does not mean immediately you will die, but rather certainly you will die. God was telling Adam that his death would...

It's a distinction without a difference.

The problem is, they're all hiding behind the FDA.

Indeed. The warning to Shimei uses the same exact Hebrew phrase—dying, you will die. Meaning, the moment you cross that bridge, your death will become certain.

This is according to Yale epidemiology professor Dr. Harvey Risch. Seems to me something is really crooked with the FDA. Yale professor says hydroxychloroquine could save 100,000 lives — but it’s being stifled by a ‘propaganda war’

I'm amazed how complicated you're making this. It's too simple, And I don't know how you missed it. It's simple. Don't do this. If you do, you will die. You read this as, Adam was flesh, therefore he proved he would have sinned no matter what? Jesus was also flesh. This is the old...

Yes. Thanks, for catching that. You're being slippery, clinging to a technicality. Scripture says believers have moved from death to life. John 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over...

That Adam became immortal after the fall does not mean he was not made to be immortal, originally. Creation today is not very good. That does not mean it was never very good.

No you said, "Adam's death is proof that Adam was never immortal."

You're not even agreeing with yourself. You said Adam would have died anyway.

In this passage, a Hebrew idiom is used to denote certainty, rather than immediacy. Dying you will die, is a wooden literal translation. It basically means, the day Adam ate, his death became a certainty. GENESIS 2:17—“YOU SHALL SURELY DIE” Terry Mortenson - AiG Also, Why did Adam not Die...

Gosh in some ways I'm tempted to call some of these views hyper-pelagian.

I'm trying to think of something conceivably more significant. :Unsure Huh?? Gen. 2:15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat...

What do you think Paul was saying when he said, because of one man? Rom. 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. And you don't think going from immortal to mortal is a...