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Yikes. No that's not all we know. Adam brought sin and death into the world, including his own. We also know, that Christ brings spiritual life to the spiritually dead. Understanding the Fall is crucial to the Gospel, which is why Pelagius was called out. Rom. 5:15 But the gift is not like...

Exactly my concern. This is Christianity 101.

I can see why. Both believe in saving faith.

That fact that you deny biblical history explains why you're trying to use modern scientific terms in theology and interpretation. Those who deny biblical history, rarely understand death, or its origin.

You're mixing modern nomenclature with biblical terms. You're simply mistaken that plants die and have the breath of life.

Of course he doesn't. If he did, I'd be out of there in a heartbeat.

Objecting to the term saving faith, would suggest otherwise. Does your pastor know you have a problem with this term?

All churches have isms. The issues is not isms, but having the correct isms. Does you Church subscribe to the notion that saving faith is a problematic term?

Jesus saves.

You need fellowship. No one is an island. Saving faith is not a loaded term, it's basic Christianity. You need a pastor or elder, someone you can consult.

Also see: Nephesh chayyāh A matter of life … and non-life CMI International

No, they also do not have the breath of life. Incests, bugs of various sorts are also not nephesh beings. They are basically biological machines. They do not die in the sense animals with the breath of life die. Specifically, they do not have blood. Life is in the blood. DO LEAVES DIE...

Saving faith is a loaded term? Is there a particular denomination you affiliate with?

You're claiming plants die and have the breath of life. You are wrong.

Nor is Trinity. It's a meaningless argument. Rom. 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. Saving faith, my friend.

You're simply wrong about this. Plants are never described as having nephesh. Animals are from the very beginning (Genesis chapter 1). And plants do not breath, in the sense of taking breaths, which is how the bible describes life.

I definitely believe repentance is granted by God, and cannot happen otherwise.

Plants don't die, they merely wither. They do not have nephesh as breathing animals do.

As for me, I'd side with you on that particular point. I do believe Paul had salvation in mind in that particular verse.

So I found this error, right off the bat, I'd like to challenge you with. It's not true that Adam could only know good and evil after eating. Before the Fall, he had moral awareness and intelligence, and was able to understand God's command not to eat. He also was able to understand the...