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    Irressistible Grace #2

    Israel and Judah? Engage in the arguments raised before continuing with your own position. Where was all of Judah elected - it was only the remnant within Judah that was elected. Are you now going to claim only the second born children from within Judah were elected? Again and again I've posed...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    The trigger might have been because Israel had rejected Christ, but the Gentiles were added because of the purpose of God that was already prophesied to Abraham way back in Gen 12. God's sovereign promise over the Gentiles(not necessarily to the Gentiles) included the hardening of Israel -...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    How ever did you formulate that inference from what I've presented so far? The valid inferences are that we must forgive others to be forgiven of God. Therefore, a further inference is that gifts could be given with a condition for receiving them. I'm just going to start at the beginning even...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Q1. Is forgiveness of trespasses a gift? Yes/No. Q2. Is Matt 6:14-15 conditional? Yes/No.
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    This is just the difference in our own interpretations. The text in Rom 11 itself simply states the fullness of Gentiles coming in - it renders no "because...". Further, you render the meaning of the word 'fullness' to be the 'end or completion of evangelizing to the Gentiles' when no reference...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    I'll begin here. Is that what calvinists believe? I've never come across anyone read those 2 verses that way - at least I don't. This explains why it seemed to me that you were stating the obvious for so long in your posts. On the contrary, this encapsulates what you believe and that's...
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    A Biblical Defense of Synergism #2

    I'd elaborate more to specifically state that the law cannot be kept in/by the flesh. Christ did keep the law in His Spirit and we too are walking in righteousness each time we walk in/by the Spirit. Drawing from similar passages too, such as Gal 5:16-18, I'd also hold that sinful flesh is...
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    Was Saul saved ?

    Actually it's the other way round - what I read in Scriptures concerning God's ways, including the passages about Saul, inform me on how to view the doctrine of predestination.
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    Conditioned on you asking, and asking according to His will. Do you read James 4:2-3 differently?
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    The black and white fallacy is one that omits valid options out of those presented for selection. When you claim I have committed this fallacy, kindly provide the substance of your evidence for the same. I stated a promise or a gift can be made conditional or unconditional for receipt. Either...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    (Is there a distinction between the two questions - they look the same to me.) I consider myself somewhat a reformed evangelist (I do not agree with the reformed doctrine of predestined reprobation/condemnation) and I would ask you to make your question less ambiguous - are you posing this as a...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    How would you summarize the key point of this whole paragraph of yours in a line or two as pertaining to our discussion? I read the key point being I should have phrased it the "kingdom of heaven in a mystery form" instead of "church age of mystery" and all the rest is an expounding of its...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    Seriously? Should I have spelt out that we are dealing with differences in doctrines and needn't have to go over what's already common ground. God's character and sovereignty has been equally upheld by both camps throughout (no matter the implications) - why do we then need to draw out...
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    Was Saul saved ?

    I agree with the other posts here that explain how being 'with him' didn't imply being saved. I also acknowledge some people's uncertainty over Saul's state as believer or not. I myself hold him to be lost just as Judas and this I hold with certainty based on 2Sam 7:14-15 - there is a...
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    Was Saul saved ?

    I don't find it very useful using the word 'saved' or consequently 'unsaved' this way - where it denotes simply the final state. I believe Scriptures allow for the word to capture momentous states too. A sinner with a hardened heart and blinded mind needs to be saved from his bondage to sin in...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    There are again two ways of doing that. I could either gift you my blood or kidney because that transfusion or organ transplant is the only way to revive you out of your induced coma or I could gift you the documents to my house or car with the conditional that it is to be received by ID'd...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    You could've saved me a post by answering the obvious next question :) What then does arminian or similar doctrines hold to qualify the new birth? Either God acts unconditionally or God waits for a conditional(s) to be fulfilled before acting. Unconditional or Conditional - that's binary...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    For starters, the author of the OP who acknowledged the difference? Again, to be clear, both camps do believe that it is God who births His Spirit in man - but what determines Him to do so, what is the causative trigger that moves God to begin this birthing process? One says that God...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    Again, you're missing the mark. For a person who claims to have superior knowledge in the OT to anyone inclined to reformed theology, you seem to make some blatant blunders in OT application yourself. This is not an issue for me per se, for all of us will need to take time to constantly prune...
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    Irressistible Grace #2

    You do really need to update your incorrect stereotypes of what others preach? This is exactly what the Reformed theology preaches ad verbatim in the Gospel call to all the world. If we're semantically precise, we'd differentiate between 'capacity' and 'ability' - Nobody preaches/ought to...
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