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    Irressistible Grace #2

    It would be better if you listed out the various 'ages' you see time divided into, along with their Scriptural sources. Or even simply point me to a link that does that. I might have completely misunderstood this which is why I'm rechecking - do you hold the "church age of mystery" to be only...
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    God's Decree, Concerning the Rejection of lost souls #1. Pret-er-i-tion.

    I could tell you of the time one was riding on a horse to Damascus with a seething hatred of neighbor and God...and then ZAP, he was regenerated. :)
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    Irresistible Grace

    This is a very interesting nuance - I was wondering why you'd added the phrase "that breathes air". So just to make sure I follow rightly, are you saying that of ALL Israel, many rebels in heart will be killed and the remaining Israel that haven't been killed and who are still "breathing air"...
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    Irresistible Grace

    I do not wish to digress, but am curious to know why you find the resurrection illogical? Let's get this out of the way too. 1) What according to you have I not believed in Rom 11:25-32? and 2) what have I said that led you to perceiving this? Specific statements would help - for eg: "you don't...
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    Irresistible Grace

    I look at "when the fullness of Gentiles come in" as the completion of an intended plan whereas you see it as the beginning of their failure - wouldn't your interpretation have been better captured with a "when the Gentiles no longer come in, then Israel will be saved"? And I guess that stems...
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    Irresistible Grace

    In Rom 11? Gentiles will no longer believe? Where are you reading this from exactly? It rather says after all the gentile nations believe, then Israel shall be saved - what am i missing in what you see? Could you expand on this - how and from what will Jesus save Israel? Will they be saved from...
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    Irresistible Grace

    Is that what you see would happen in the future with Israel, when Christ comes as the visible King in the Kingdom of God? If so, I'm genuinely having trouble reconciling this notion with Eph 1:10 - how could He gather all in Christ if He's going to save Israel outside of Christ? Or do you have...
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    Irresistible Grace

    It was easy to follow your responses, thank you. I'm only trying to more precisely understand the nuances of your position here. This contingency of God where He decides to include the Gentiles - 1. would you say this contingency was decided in His omniscience before the ages? 2. would you...
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    Irresistible Grace

    The law justly condemns all without mercy - very true. But are you saying there was no grace through faith in the OT? David clearly is a testimony of faith and was approved by God, pleasing to Him. And given the law is not of faith, how could David be under the law instead of being seen as...
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    Irresistible Grace

    This God's establishing His kingdom in this age in a mystery form - did God decree to do so only after Israel refused Christ or did God decree it before the ages? (I know you're prone to writing lengthy responses and i'm absolutely fine with that as long as you begin with a direct answer and...
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    God's Decree, Concerning the Rejection of lost souls #1. Pret-er-i-tion.

    (firstly, i'm not being critical, but simply providing feedback that these different font sizes and font colors don't make it an easy read - that's just plain UI principles which you may or equally may not choose to abide by. Bold, Italic and Underline should be sufficient for emphasis and maybe...
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    What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

    Thought I'd be back over the weekend and it's already closing time :) Guess I'll have to simply wait for another thread on this, where we could continue talking past each other with no common ground to meet over since we so obviously are not of One Spirit worshiping the One Lord. Why aren't we...
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    What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

    Fair enough. This explanation helps me better understand how you're interpreting but are we now down to discussing how to parse basic language syntax? All 3 adjective phrases are being applied entirely and simultaneously to the same target group that's being addressed, namely the Corinthian...
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    What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

    Where? Which phrase(s) in Rom 8:9 is suggesting that those of/by the flesh can set their minds on the things of the Spirit? Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. This is one of the key premises...
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    What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

    Okay? You really think there's an important distinction between the phrases here that you had to point it out? I meant them interchangeably but since you see some nuance between them, do tell what the difference is between 'setting your mind on spiritual things' and 'attending to spiritual...
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    What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

    You'll have to give more context for me to follow. Is this something you believe now or are you commenting on how the Galatians were taught in error? I am a gentile in today's world and I've never been taught to place myself under the Law of Moses to be saved - can I read Gal 3:13 from God's...
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    What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

    Cool. If the Gentiles (me) have never been under the Law, then they were never under the curse of the Law and consequently never had any need to be redeemed from such curse by Christ. Guess I shouldn't read myself into Gal 3:13-14 either since it was particularly meant for the Galatians alone...
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    What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

    What's the connection? Why is it mandatory for a calvinist to subscribe to replacement theology and if anyone does, how does it come to bear on say, total depravity?
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    What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

    To clarify, Oh absolutely, yes. Again, this isn't even an exclusive calvinist interpretation - there is the flesh that we are born in first, and then we are born again in the spirit. This leads to the distinction between the outer man and the new inner man - the outer man is the flesh which...
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    What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

    That wouldn't be the way I phrase the question..but sure, I get what you mean and yes, that can be a question that merits answering. The question was specifically whether any are able to attend to even a few spiritual things, at least partially, that would be pleasing to God before they are...
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