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    What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

    Knowing full well that these words are commonly used interchangeably, I would still attempt to point out the nuanced difference between saying one "cannot" believe the Gospel and saying one "is not able to" believe the Gospel. Can/Cannot refers to the capacity that one is designed with - man...
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    John 6.44

    This is where I first come across your unique new argument in your post - couldn't you simply have started your post with this instead of all the additional bloat preceding this? Would've saved me all the bloat I've written all the way here :) So you've just posited that in the OT prophecies...
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    John 6.44

    I honestly tried processing all you wrote and interpreting the texts from your perspective and it doesn't work in some critical places. No doubt for whom? You keep doing this, and it's amusing. Who are you preaching to assuming they have no idea or inkling that this is in the context of Israel...
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    John 6.44

    I do not see the relation between the first and last verses as you combine them - the first verse is a prayer to the future and the last verse is a record of the past. I do not operate on these timelines as you do, counting years and days. I do engage anyone within their belief systems if they...
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    John 6.44

    This interpretation, though misplaced, still is commendable since you seek to hold to the principle of Rom 9:11 - that God's election of grace is independent of any of man's actions and even his very existence but is rather based on God's sovereign choice alone. You claim that sovereign choice...
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    John 6.44

    Sure. Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Same context, concise and makes sense definitively. Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God...
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    John 6.44

    Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth) How does the purpose of God according to election stand if it is based on what good these jews do after they...
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    John 6.44

    You have spoken plainly here. I agree with you on the errors of leading people to misinterpret basic teachings. What I do disagree with you on is your notion that such misinterpretations prove with certainty such a person is an unsaved unbeliever. I see heavy misinterpretations from the...
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    John 6.44

    The generation of jews that Jesus came to, did not indeed believe because of their hardness and blindness - we are in agreement on that. Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded Rom 11:8 (According...
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    John 6.44

    Appreciate your replying. Just for your reference, the reformed view and independently I do believe in the following too - 1. "He(Abraham) was justified by believing God in the OT and his sins were washed away in the NT. Nobody whose sins are not washed away are saved." 2. "This(the Spirit of...
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    John 6.44

    I've got a copy of the English language Bible where God says this in Heb 7:4 ESV: See how great this man was to whom Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth of the spoils! Another's got a different copy of the English language Bible where God says in Heb 7:4, NASB: Now observe how great this man was...
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    John 6.44

    It's quite difficult determining what you believe and where you're going with your elaborate replies when you don't specifically answer the questions raised - this obviously seems straightforward to you but it might help me understand your exact position better if you could provide simply yes/no...
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    John 6.44

    Okay? Isn't that still applicable today - why do you make it sound like this was written only for those historical jews to believe and not for us today? Just because we have added revelations to our understanding of Christ's death and resurrection which we need to believe in, it doesn't take...
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    John 6.44

    And I am more so perplexed why you think I have missed your point and why you're asking me the very thing I've already answered. I do not insist to anyone that a man must be drawn by the Father to be saved - I merely observe a Scriptural truth that that is simply so - just as Christ observes in...
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    John 6.44

    Aren't you getting ahead of yourself? I never mentioned once in either of those logic chains that Jesus was attempting to convince them of His death and resurrection - I was merely asking how you interpret the connections between what's presented in Jn 6, on its own, taking whatever you...
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    John 6.44

    Okay, let me get this straight. You're saying that Jn 6 sets two distinct criteria of man for receiving eternal life - 1) to physically and literally 'see' Christ and 2) to believe in His declaration that He's the Son of God? And further this is not the same criteria that we now have to be...
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    John 6.44

    Could you elaborate on what you exactly mean here? Because the takeaway from reading just what you've written is that we can throw away the entire OT since anyway not a word's been addressed to me and it's not profitable for my salvation today in 2020,... and that none of the OT saints have ever...
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    John 6.44

    As clarification, do you see Jn 6 as the following logic chains? The person being saved to eternal life: The Father draws a person to Christ -> The person sees Christ -> The Father teaches the person -> The person hears -> and the person learns of the Father -> The person can come to Christ ->...
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    John 6.44

    I can go along with this line of reasoning. So there's a cause and effect of God's drawing -> to the people being able to come, and there's a cause and effect of the people actual coming and believing -> to them being raised up on the last day - but there is no cause and effect of people's being...
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    John 6.44

    Okay. Would you say that in Rom 11:5,7 that the remnant jews were elected by grace before they had done any good or evil to not be destroyed or cast away but be saved? If yes, simply reply yes - if no, simply choose which phrase(s) you disagree with - 1. the remnant jews (Rom 11:1,5) 2...
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