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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    No such 'spark of Divinity' is alluded to here - where are you reading it from in my post?? For Christ has said, “Without me ye can do nothing.” St. Augustine, after having diligently meditated upon each word in this passage, speaks thus: “Christ does not say, without me ye can do but Little...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    I'm not presenting an argument in this post - this is a genuine enquiry not entailing any sarcasm or skepticism. Where do you find this distinction between being physical sons and spiritual sons being presented in Scriptures? This is the first time I'm coming across such a distinction made and...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    Seriously? :) I was raising counter-arguments from what you'd made in the video - with your definition of adoption, you made the claim that Gal 4:6 connects with Gal 3:26 thereby removing any correlation to the immediately preceding Gal 4:5 and I'm disputing that claim with the common definition...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    I am a son of God right from the moment I believed in Christ and put on Christ (Gal 3:26-27) - not waiting to become one at some future time. Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    Cryptic :). I am not as wise - Is that a yes, you agree with those beliefs?
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    Limited Atonement cannot be reduced to such simplicity. I do believe Atonement on Judgement Day is Limited but I also simultaneously believe that the Gospel offer of salvation is sincerely to each and every single person, elect or non-elect. A simple foreshadowed parallel is that of the...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    Setting the translations debate aside (though it may carry some merit), the reason is each who propose this sentiment are so confident of their own being absolutely precise in their own understanding of the words of God - when others feel they're actually not. Is this being precise? Adoption is...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    Is it your belief that if one does not buy into calvinism as a whole, that they haven't believed the Gospel? I am in agreement with you that this hurried 4-step ask Jesus into your heart and declaring they're saved is no Gospel - but that isn't Arminianism either. This is important for you to...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    Let's agree on what it is we do believe...would you agree with the following beliefs or would you reject them as ungodly heresies? 1. In the fallen state, the free will of man towards the true good is not only wounded, infirm, bent, and weakened; but it is also imprisoned, destroyed, and lost...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    this wasn't the point i was trying to make but even so, you're simply reinforcing my point. A kerchief is a head covering / bandanna and when one uses such a kerchief in the hand instead of over the head, it's called a handkerchief. In summary, the etymology links the individual words...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Paul is logically connecting v.6 from v.5 - this is important. In v.5, we are...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    Like I asked you before, are you applying right interpretation principles or are you biased because of your desire to prove calvinism wrong? You look at the sentence structure in Rom 8:23 and quickly conclude that the biblical definition of adoption is the redemption of our body. Even when that...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    Are you guys serious? Or is this some weird form of sarcasm that i'm not getting? In any case, there's a Bible Study Thread on this forum that may be better suited for your preferences - this thread here is actually where we debate differing beliefs with an intent to better understand each...
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    Predestination is that of a saved man unto a resurrection body in Christ's image

    I know you mean this in a very logical sense, where you'd like the merits of your argument to be either accepted or to have its fallacies pointed out if any. But I'm generally not comfortable with 'proving' anything wrong within my own Christian family - I'd rather participate in a discussion to...
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    Asking for scriptural rebuttal to TULIP

    If you hold to the above, aren't you describing total inability of the flesh? Why according to you can't the natural man do God's will? And isn't God's will for all to seek, obey and please Him by doing His will? Jesus came to harden the Jews of that generation at that time but I agree with you...
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    Asking for scriptural rebuttal to TULIP

    I am not aware of classic calvinism teaching that - they only say man in his natural state is spiritually dead because he is in the flesh and not in the spirit, not that there is no spirit at all or that it's literally dead. When born again, he (his soul?) is birthed again in the spirit and is...
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    God Might Use Both Monergism and Synergism, a Theory

    Okay? The original question was what is the role of the pastor and teacher if we are not to let them try to teach us - and you reply citing their teachings against false prophets? If everything can be self-learned between man and God alone with no other teacher used as an instrument of God, why...
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    God Might Use Both Monergism and Synergism, a Theory

    Having experienced what you did, if you've observed certain men's teachings not aligning with Scriptures, wouldn't you then exhort others not to be influenced by such erroneous teachings of men by pointing them to Scriptures lest they be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin? Doesn't Heb...
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    Asking for scriptural rebuttal to TULIP

    Sure. Either way, their spirits are of the Spirit. That wasn't my central point though - i was only saying that the flesh does will too. The flesh wills evil apart from God and that is total depravity/inability of the flesh. This is neither calvinist nor arminian - what you infer based on this...
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    Asking for scriptural rebuttal to TULIP

    Earnest endeavour. I am neither calvinist nor arminian but i borrow from the core doctrines of both classic doctrinal systems. I agree with TULIP as such when applied to the elect alone - but since calvinism errs in predestined condemnation of the non-elect, it doesn't even consider how others...
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