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Please tell me how one is to answer a fallacy except by calling it a fallacy? If the question presumes a deterministic response is necessary then I can't answer it any other way than I did. I did so respectfully and I fully explained, with an actual quote and argument, my contention. That is...

One problem with this comparison...it presumes I am the one doing the 'negative talking' and you are the one proclaiming the truth...but have you ever objectively considered that you just could be wrong on this issue... like I concluded ten years ago when I logged on to this forum as a convinced...

That would be refreshing. :thumbsup: You don't see how this explains Paul's intent while saying 'I thank God for choosing you?' to a group of Gentiles who are being told they are not of the elect group...and that they would have to become Jews to be elect? I thought it was pretty clear and I...

Not sure you saw this question... Additionally, why were the Jews uniquely referred to a the 'elect of God' while the Gentiles were not if indeed they believed the Gentiles were elect as well?

And why do you think they believed that a Gentile had to convert to Judaism before being saved if indeed Jews never denied that Gentiles were elect of God?

I believe everyone who regularly engages with me on this post knows that I'm a non-Calvinistic Southern Baptist who holds to the the view of soteriology most commonly referred to as 'the corporate view of election.' No one is required (or even expected) to state their view prior to posting a...

I know it is difficult to see a passage from a different perspective when you have become so accustom to reading it from your own perspective, so let's use an analogy to gain a different perspective: Pretend with me that we live before the Civil War and we are all slave owners. We have been...

Paul is known as the 'apostle to the Gentiles,' right? Most of the churches he established were primarily Gentile congregations. The major issue that Paul often addresses is that caused by the Judizers, who are denying that the Gentiles are chosen of God, or if they are to be accepted they have...

No. I wouldn't say that either one of us 'call the shots.' I'd say my wife and I make decisions together under the authority of Christ. The concept of "authority" is often misunderstood in marriage, in my experience.

Yes, in the sense that the 'head' is the 'greatest' and in God's order of things, the 'greatest is the least'...the one who submits himself to serve and give himself, even his own life if needed, to the benefit and well being of the others. If by 'authority,' you mean, 'the one who calls the...

That would depend upon how you define 'head of the house' and 'authority.'

I did answer the question. I said the chooser determines the choice, remember? To press further by asking what, besides the chooser, determined the chooser's choice IS, by very definition, a fallacy called 'question begging' because it presumes determinism, the very point up for debate.

The cause of a choice is the chooser. A determiner makes a determination. This question is actually a form of question begging because it presumes a deterministic response is necessary...i.e. 'something besides the chooser must have determined the choice.'

Someone should have told Augustine that years ago! :laugh:

If those were actually the only two options, which I used to also believe, then I would too. That is why I opted for Calvinism for so long. I was unaware of the more viable non-Calvinistic options and relegated all opponents as supporters of this so-called "foresight faith view." This common...

May I offer a third and much more viable option than the two you provided?

Okay. Gotcha now... I'm not familiar with that group. I'm a Southern Baptist and I've always thought of the term "protestant" as meaning "non Catholic Christian" (like Gentile means 'non-Jew'). From web source: Protestant: It has been defined as "any of several church denominations...

You wouldn't say Calvinism was born during that time, so I don't believe its fair to claim Arminianism was either. Both of these views (in different forms) existed long before the reformation as is evidenced in historical writings on the subject (which, btw, the more 'Calvinistic'...

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I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding what you are saying.