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I want to know why they feel the need to dismantle a view that affirms BOTH Lordship AND Friendship... I think they are just looking for something with which to disagree.

Care to provide some kind of exegesis of the context which would deny the application that I have drawn? Why are we debating this point guys? We should agree on this!!! This is silly. I'm arguing that true love drive out fear...that the relationship may begin as 'servant/master' but grows...

Amen! Thanks for posting these quotes to support what I was saying. Hopefully that helps others to understand my point. :wavey:

Sigh....remember the part where I said, "this is not an either/or debate"??? "I no longer call you a slave." -Jesus "True love drives out fear." -John "You no longer receive a spirit of fear but of adoption..." -Paul "You are no longer under law (slave) but under grace (love)." -Paul...

Actually you are right about this. You have only addressed my views, not me personally. I wrongly mixed your comments in with those who are in agreement with you. You are incorrect about this. You have not addressed my actual view. You have set up a strawman and attacked it while...

Wow....just wow.

You all accuse me of claiming that "personal attack" when someone disagrees with my views...Here is a prime example of personal attack. I agree with someone and you attack me as playing politics and attempting to gain supporters. Has it occurred to you that I actually AGREE with what he said...

This shouldn't be an either/or debate. Being a slave of God, or fearing God is a immature or beginning stage of the relationship. Like when you fear your dad's punishment or desire his allowance in order to be motivated to obey. That is a type of relationship and it has its place....fear is...

1. Did you marry a couch potato? If not, how do you know what works? If so, why did you choose to marry her? 2. Given that Christ teaches us to serve our enemies, what makes you think serving is an inappropriate response to a spouse dealing with laziness? I'm not suggesting you don't...

He either inferred you are a swine that received the pearls from others... (my vote) Or he inferred that you are giving out pearls and the rest of us who disagree are the swine. I can't imagine how anyone could call what you said in that post "pearls," but Aaron sees things much differently...

I agree with all of this thus far... He orders and controls the child molesters, rapist, satanic cult member, al queda terrorist bomber? Because last I recall he doesn't even tempt men to sin much less control and order the sinner to sin. This denies the Holiness of God, unless you mean...

I don't believe that you really believe that. You say you do, but you don't. Nothing in the deterministic system merely has God 'allowing' anything...just ask Luke. This is what (some) Calvinists do. They use words that make their dogma more appealing, like 'allow', but when pressed it never...

:thumbs: Awesome!!!

No, read it again. Your view promotes a view of God which suggests that to maintain control (your limited view of 'sovereign') that God would have to play both sides of the chess board to ensure victory. He has to control Satan's moves and His own, to be "Sovereign" according the deterministic...

At least he is a equal opportunity offender, because he treats men with the same distain. Luke didn't even seem to attempt to understand Gina's point. He just jumped to an extreme conclusion and let it fly...typical.

Well stated. :applause: Despite our theological differences I think you haven't allowed a bias to keep you from engaging in a objective discussion on this point. Hopefully you too can see that I was speaking about a relationship maturing beyond a fear/master/obligation/law type relationship...

As I explained in the larger context, which you plucked one phrase from...I'm not denying the Lordship of Christ in our lives. Nor did I deny that the fear of the Lord (master/servant) relationship has its place, but that Christ's desire is something more. That is what I believe he is saying...

He said he NO LONGER calls them servant... What do you think NO LONGER means? Romans 8:15 says the same thing, but says we NO LONGER have a spirit of fear... You are trying to leave us under law (master/servant), when Christ is teaching us to move into a relationship based on grace...

I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. - Jesus That is the first time I've ever heard someone call what Jesus said a heresy.

I don't know, you'll have to ask a Pelagian. I'm simply speaking for those like Tozer and myself who believe that God is sovereign enough not to have to play both sides of the chess board to ensure a victory. True. And? Why would anyone support such a silly thing as that? Are you attacking a...