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It's unfortunate when relatively small differences among brothers lead to a blinding biases that impede good discussions on matters that should be common ground. Maybe I need to bow out of this forum... I'm not seeing this as helping anyone...

Jesus said, "I'm no longer calling you servants because servants don't understand what their master is thinking and planning. No, I've named you friends because I've let you in on everything I've heard from the Father." Paul likewise taught, "For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a...

And I also had more than that one reply and you neglected to answer it, so...I guess we are even?

I would agree with all of them, but the emboldened one above (master/slave) was specifically and unequivocally renounced by Jesus' own teaching. He doesn't ultimately want our relationship to stay in fear, obligation, law and shame. He wants it to mature into love, passion and a romantic like...

Ad Hominem: Turn the attention to the person rather than the topic. This is typically a tactic used when one feels they are losing regarding the subject matter at hand. Luke, I couldn't care one small iota about what others think of me on this forum regarding my view of marriage and male...

Christ wanted to be a friend not a master, according to his words in John 15:15. True love drives out fear and obligation in a relationship which is true not only in our relationship with God, but should be true in our relationships with each other. So, I'm not cherry picking anything, nor...

This one wins 'the best post of the thread' award! :laugh:

No, but under the consistent accusation that our view somehow doesn't teach that God is 'sovereign' we must show how just the opposite is true...at least from our perspective.

I'm sure he would feel likewise about you, which is typically a sign of a question begging fallacy, which is one of the lowest forms of debate. I do wish we could strive for better discussions.

Why would you think I would disagree with this statement? Your entire rebuttal of my post rests upon this erroneous concept that I think Jews believed there was another way to be saved??? When did I ever suggest that. I've said that the Jews of that day were insisting that the Gentiles were...

That's incorrect. As has been pointed out many times, we have consistently supported a HIGHER, not lower, view of God's Sovereignty than our Calvinistic brethren, and I think AW Tozer explains exactly why that is: "God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and...

It seems like everyone is talking past each other to some degree. I don't think anyone is saying that a man shouldn't lead the home. At least I'm not. I'm saying a man shouldn't rule the home. He most certainly should lead it. The question is how does one lead as Christ did? He served. He...

If you in any way actually think that a marriage is in any way fitting of the analogy of a brain sturgeon and a patient...(i.e. you, the expert trained doctor, as the husband, and your wife, the uneducated needy patient), then I honestly feel sorry for your spouse. I cannot think of a single...

Read what I wrote Luke. Respond to my actual words. We can do better than this, brother.

Spin it? Really Luke? I know we differ regarding our soteriology, but we don't have to carry that difference into other discussions. If you honestly think loving someone doesn't involve serving them and submitting yourself then I'd dare to say you haven't ever really loved anyone. Sorry if...

Here is a similar dialogue between two notable scholars on this subject. Maybe they will help you understand the fallacy: "On the one hand, indeterminists claim that we do not act without reasons. On the other hand, they deny that any reasons or other causes serve as sufficient conditions for...

Do you mean accusations like, "I won't engage with your debate points because I know you won't ever change." or speculations like... "Your questions are just a fallacious as his are." (but I don't think his questions are actually fallacious and I'm not willing to show you how your...

Ok, so you should be able to answer this question. How did God make men able to make contra-causal choices?

I didn't say that. Sometimes I think you just disagree because I'm the one who said it and not because you actually disagree with what is said. 'Calling the shots' is phrase implying a more 'ruling' approach rather than a servant leadership approach. That is all I was meaning. I believe if...

I would answer this post but you will ignore it and won't listen to me because that is the way you are. Does that sound like I'm making a personal statement about you? Yes? That is because I am. Its called ad hominem and its not necessary or productive. It's just a way to avoid...