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Very sad response... And we're done. Wow, and you're a pastor???? WOW...just wow.

If you actually had any desire to actually engage this point you would...there are dozens of articles about Augustine's teaching on the Privation of Good and his attributing the origin of sin to the free will of man, pick one and engage it or continue to pretend it doesn't exist...I really don't...

It all boils down to this. Can God originate creatures with free will? Apparently you don't think He is capable of such a task, but I stand in agreement with AW Tozer on this point: God Sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has...

I'm not sure how to make our view any more clear. Let me try this. What was revealed to Peter in the white sheet dream that he was not already aware of? What were the Gentiles being grafted into and the Jews being cut off from in Romans 11? What did that vine represent exactly?

Really? Which part? Let's go line by line of what I wrote above that you called "complete hogwash" and you tell me which point you think is "complete hogwash." So, do you think Jesus was attempting to get thousands of followers and start a big church while he was here on earth? Was it this...

I already did and you asked for the source...I even summed it up for you. Augustine still set the origin of sin with the free will of man. Not even close. Incorrect the chooser is the cause of his choice. What is the cause of God's choice to save you? God. Exactly, for if God determined my...

When Jesus was here in the flesh was he attempting to get thousands of followers and start a really big church? Was he trying to convert as many as he possible could while he had time? Couldn't Jesus have taught a message like Peter did in Acts 2 and had an even better response? Clearly...

The "unqualified" baptist response? And from what you apparently deem as the 'unqualified participants,' (which mind you include the view held by a majority of non-Calvinistic Southern Baptist scholars today), we have these replies: HERE And HERE And some followup HERE For...

Here is one... Augustine defined evil as the privation of goodness, just as blindness is a privation of sight. Since evil is not an entity in itself, just like blindness is not an entity in itself, God could not have created it. Instead, evil originates from free will possessed by angels and...

Well, the distinction even you are now acknowledging (the same one Peter came to acknowledge after his white sheet dream), is the distinction regarding God's election of Israel and then the Gentiles. This author explains it well: Today there is a "mystery" aspect of the gospel... Which in...

In another thread, which was closed because others were not behaving (please don't carry that over to this thread), Luke made a point about the two wills of God...HERE We have discussed God's prescriptive will (command) versus His decretive will (unchangeable decree) before in this forum, but...

Three things. 1. Augustine argued that sin was a result of man's free will and resulted in the privation of good (at least from what I've read thus far on the topic). I'm not seeing where any scholar uses the privation doctrine to make your case that something (motive to sin) came from...

Well we know both Jews and Gentiles are included NOW because we have the scriptures revealing us this truth...this is the 'mystery' of the gospel Paul referenced. Jews were thought to be the "elect" of God up to this point and Paul (along with others) were revealing that it was God's plan all...

I know, that is why I was laughing at your rebuke of his quote. So God deceives people by revealing one will and harboring another secret will? Interesting. I didn't see Spurgeon teach on that point...not denying it, but I just didn't see it.

I regret that...Now back on topic. The last relevant posts that were on topic were posts in the 38-39 range.

Based on these two rules alone I wish the moderator would simply delete every post in this thread not specifically having to do with Jonah's call versus the effectual calling, as I would like to actually discuss that topic... Is it too much to ask for us to STAY ON TOPIC?

Here you go again, like you are able to read my mind and motivations. You are the ONLY ONE suggesting a personal attack on intelligence. One could speculate that he was impugning my intelligence by suggesting that my motives were not informed, but HE WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY SAY THAT for it to...

Rule 4: "We encourage personal problems with other members be resolved privately." Rule 9: "Keep posts on-topic, relative to the forum it's posted in."

So every time a pastor reminds you of the churches purpose he is 'insulting their intelligence? I'm simply pointing to the motive of continually debating Calvinism as being a legit motive in this context...not a nefarious one worthy of rebuke and deflection from the topic. Read it again...

Case and point Yet the rules specifically forbid such assessments in the public forum but you continually ignore such correction. What does that reveal? If you have something personal to say, then PM me. I'd be happy to address you there. The phrase "ad hominem" literally means "to the...