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I think this has more to do with how one understands the concept of "hate" as used in the scripture. If one is "under wrath/law" they might be considered 'hated' because they have not come under Grace (i.e. love) of the Father through faith. That doesn't mean God doesn't care for them, or have...

We are discussing this on two threads, so I'm limiting my responses to that other one as this one is about to close...

So this force, this power that makes men unable to respond is beyond God's design of creation? He didn't design it within his creation? It just surprised him? Or did he know it would inevitably happen and just permit it? Was he able to prevent sin from having this kind of effect on mankind...

You say 'by nature' as if God didn't create the nature of all that exists...you seem to just be avoiding the inevitable conclusion, don't you think?

Who or what created or designed the nature of sin to be such that it would make men total unable to respond even to God's appeals? Is that the one nature God didn't determine? Is that the one thing in God's creation that He didn't design or have anything to do with?

And who designed it to operate or function in that manner?

Especially if you read them with the same bent as you do the scriptures...:thumbsup:

Who designed it to operate that way? I can ask this question in as many ways as you can attempt to dodge it...

"It denies"...who is it? Some force or power greater than God? Something God didn't create or design? Something that mother nature made? You call "it" inherent but even what is inherent came from something or someone, didn't it? Did God design it this way or didn't He?

That statement was directed at all of us, not just you. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'll ask Winman to remove that... You didn't answer my True False questions... Someone had to design the nature of sin in relation to mankind, unless you just believe it evolved or something? I'm just...

The problem is that the rest of the scripture doesn't fit your interpretation of Rom. 1 and you don't know how to deal with that so you accuse me of 'dodging.' Tell me this, if no one is righteous and no one has responded to the light of God's revelation then what about Abraham, Job, Enoch...

First, things seem to be getting a bit snippy and personal. Let's just stick with the topic and try to be cordial. They will know us by our love... inherent - existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute. Who creates all that exists? Who created this...

I agree. I believe people can and do see and resist the light, but I also believe people can and do see and accept the light. The doctrine of total inability teaches men are born unable to actually even see it unless given the eyes to do so...given a new heart...regenerated. That is what I'm...

Lets try multiple choice: Question for a parent: 1. If my child lies I will: a. Spank him b. Ground him c. Beat him d. Kill him Question for God: 1. If man sins I will: a. Separate myself from him, curse him with ground to toil and labor pains, allow him to know good and evil and...

You calling me a democrat? Now its really getting nasty! :laugh: No, my not objecting to mankind being accountable for their inability within the Calvinistic system I'm objecting to inability on the basis of Paul's teaching for the reason that men are without excuse. Paul says they are...

What are you talking about? Quote where you believe I 'begged the question' and make your case. I don't think you read through the tread and even know what we were addressing...at least you don't appear to be up to date on the subject being addressed.

I never said that. I just asked a question and you won't answer it. Someone had to decide what the consequences would be, unless you just believe it happened by chance or something. I don't know what you believe because you won't say... So, it is your position that the consequence of...

I have no idea what this is suppose to mean as I don't believe in 'inability' and thus wouldn't presume it. ??? Your argument presumes that 'spiritual death' equals 'man's innate total inability to respond to God's powerful life giving truth,' which is the very point up for debate and a very...

I will, and when you can actually provide an instance when I'm not I'll look forward to you presenting it to me in a Christlike manner. :wavey:

So, inability happened by accident? Chance? Mother Nature? What or who decided the result of sin would be inability? You have yet to reply to that specific question...