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Here are a couple of good articles to read from the journals of SBTS and SEBTS by esteemed scholars arguing for Gentile inclusion in the phrase "Israel of God". http://www.sbts.edu/resources/files/2010/10/sbjt-v14-n3_cowan.pdf...

Good stuff. I need to read his stuff. Just one more to add to the list!

In the context? To judge the wicked. Not to gather the elect. And that still doesn't reckon with the literal idea that we come back w/ Jesus immediately in 1 Thess 4. But if interpreted properly in that way, then that accords nicely w/ what we see pictured in Rev w/ the saints coming w/ Jesus...

Were you surprised people didn't recognize the term "lucifer"??? That would be a good thing if people stopped looking to Isaiah 14 as a proof text for Satan. Cause it's not!

The word in question is "meet" Jesus in the air not the catching away. After all, that is your main point. Jesus supposedly meets people on the Mt. of Olives (again, the text doesn't say that, you are supplying that concept) versus us meeting Jesus in the air. My point is that the word for...

Um... I did... my responses were in red. And my main point, which I didn't really emphasize, w/ the Wright article is to show you the lexical basis for how the word in 1 Thess 4 gets misused by literalists. If you wanted to take it literally, then the connotation is that we go to meet Jesus in...

I agree... some here who disagree will talk right past you. I at least try to offer something. As for 1 Thess 4 and the word for "rapture", see this article: http://ntwrightpage.com/Wright_BR_Farewell_Rapture.htm If you can refute it, then we can talk.

A former prof and others have set up a site to offer free publications for biblical studies. It is new and still lacks a lot of content. I have recently contributed 3 articles. If you have something of value, you might think about submitting it. Otherwise, you might find something helpful there...

Read this article... you might find it intriguing and compelling. http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/science-the-bible-and-the-promised-land

But you do read the apostles encouraging Paul to do it. Paul even offered a sacrifice in the temple in the process. Not saying this is normative. But it is something to think about.

This debate/discussion is old

And you reject Lordship salvation because...? Good post!

If only it was a reliable passage to pin so much doctrine upon.

At least merging? http://www.piedmontu.edu/TTU?utm_content=buffer3c0d6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer Note: Piedmont has merged w/ several small Bible colleges and has not really expanded much. They've actually grown smaller in many ways. Have no illusions...

Michael Allen gives a reasoned perspective of the NPP. Give it a watch (8 mins). It is helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1cwbpA1BCE

20 to 21 Lempiras for a liter of gas for me. And that's come down a bit. While you complained about $3.50 gas, just know I pay $5.50 typically.

They get my vote!

Not that I agree with him any more... but I think the safest assumption for the witnesses from a dispie viewpoint was made by Arnold Fruchtenbaum. He believed that the witnesses are 2 unidentified people, cause really that is the extent of what we can say.

BURN!!! Ouch! But well stated.

Did you get my message about another forum?