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  1. steaver

    What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?

    No and No.... Now back to my question..... "...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Could you point out where the servants faith is spoken of in Matthew 18?
  2. steaver

    What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?

    "...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Could you point out where the servants faith is spoken of in Matthew 18?
  3. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    So was the servant lost because of not forgiving or because he was a false professor?
  4. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    I think everyone on this board understands there are false professing and true professing believers. Paul said to examine yourself.
  5. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    You double speak and do not even realize it. Is it through standing by faith or is it through failing to forgive another as you keep pointing to Matt 18?
  6. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    Now your on the right path! Not a loss of salvation, but never really had salvation. ;) "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." (1...
  7. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    Excellent! Now this wars against your "forgiveness revoked" misapplication of Matt 18. For it is revealed in the unforgiving servant that the actual occurrence/transaction had never happened. If it had, the servants heart would have shown the rebirth of genuine salvation. Secondly, since...
  8. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    Wonderful! Since you chose "A", it would be YOU who is at war against Matt 18 in that you see "forgiveness revoked". Either "A" is true or YOUR "forgiveness revoked because of yourself" is true. Sorry Bob, you can't have it both ways. Hint, if you do really believe salvation is NOT of...
  9. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    So you believe the Gospel message on how one is saved has been changing over the centuries since the bible was completed?
  10. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    I'll present you with the same question i asked Bob.... Here is the bottom line One, there are two choices. Tell me which one you choose... A) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: B) For by forgiving your servant ye are saved, and that of...
  11. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    Your go to answer when you cannot defend your faith. ;)
  12. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    Apparently in you not being able to answer a question. Just because you post a bunch of scripture doesn't mean you are applying it correctly. so what we need from you is a base line position on salvation and then we can go from there. Here is the bottom line Bob, there are two choices. Tell me...
  13. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    I believe that means you would despise EGW's religion then. No other Christian sect for some 1800 years before EGW believed the things she dreamed up. That would mean God would have to be incompetent for not clearly interpreting His Word by the Holy Ghost to His children for 1800 years.
  14. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    Took you about two seconds for you to continue to quote YOU! You cannot change, bc you are stuck with EGW. Here is the bottom line Bob, there are two choices. Tell me which one you choose... A) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: B) For...
  15. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    So let's stick with exact quotes and stay away from speculation bible study. What do we know from exact scripture quotes? We know that eternal life is the gift of God..."the gift of God is eternal life..." We know that this gift is through Jesus Christ our Lord..."the gift of God is eternal...
  16. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    As any astute bible student can plainly see, "forgiveness revoked" is you quoting you. Nowhere in Scripture will you find your quote, it is made up by you. What we will find is a King's seal cannot be revoked... “Now you write to the Jews as you see fit, in the king's name, and seal it with...
  17. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    So you are saying "forgiveness revoked" is not an SDA held belief? Give me one example, just one, of any denomination or sect preaching "forgiveness revoked" and we will take it from there.
  18. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    Who are the "us" you speak of? SDAs? All the "us" on this board reject your "forgiveness revoked" false teaching. So all you are accomplishing here is your own undoing, peeling back of the SDA onion and revealing your boxed in beliefs which are contrary to Sola Scriptura. You are forced to...
  19. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    And this is why you have been here for years and have not persuaded even one person to believe or even respect your pov. You are always changing your answers, could be you just make it up as you go along, anything to defend the indoctrinated pov rather than letting the Word shape and correct...
  20. steaver

    Walter Martin points out that the Adventist denomination is not a cult. Continued

    Excellent! , now that the deflecting and stalling is done, back to my original point. We agree that the gift spoken of in Romans 11 is salvation/eternal life. So why would Paul say the gift of salvation/eternal life is irrevocable?
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