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    Paradise Purgatory - the "other" option

    I don't believe that anyone that is putting their faith in purgatory is saved in the first place. Hence "being unsaved again," really doesn't apply if they were never saved in the first place.
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    "Enter into my 'rest.'" (i.e. Jesus). IOW, He is my rest. "Come unto me and I will give you rest." Yes, he is my rest. He gives me perfect peace which passes all understanding. "If you abide in my I will abide in you...." He is my rest. Sabbath means rest. In the NT the emphasis is on faith...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    You are not consistent in your logic. You want to limit evidence to the NT for the first day of the week for believers to worship (our position), but at the same time, you go to the OT to say that the Sabbath is for NT worship. You are not consistent. If it is the NT that teaches the first day...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    What does it really say Gerhard? You are ignoring the context. Greek means nothing without context. Here it is: Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    Ain't that the truth! Playing games on the Sabbath, that is playing the game that you are keeping the Sabbath is simple hypocrisy. It is a game. I remember my kids coming home and playing "church." It wasn't real. They would imitate the preacher, and other aspects of the services. But true...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    This is a definition of sin. Sin is a breaking of the law, not just the Ten Commandments, but all of God's "laws." If you speed, you have broken the law, for God has ordained government (Romans 13:1-4). Thus it includes the laws of the land as well. Breaking the law is sin. It is a definition...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    In this generation "breaking the law" has nothing to do with keeping the Sabbath. Keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with the moral law of God, that law which is mentioned in Romans 2:14,15. No tribe in Africa or South America would feel guilt about breaking the Sabbath, but they would feel...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    Fluff? Hebrews 1:1 God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds. Fluff is what you call the teaching of...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    Circumcision is not required today; neither is keeping the Sabbath. Take a look here. Here is how a Messianic Jew today would keep the Sabbath. http://www.jewfaq.org/shabbat.htm All of these tasks are prohibited, as well as any task that operates by the same principle or has the same purpose...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    But you can't understand it, or at least won't admit you were wrong. Of course I can quote it. I agree with it. Look, they were meeting in the Temple on the day of Pentecost and shortly there after until the Jews forbade them. Then they preached in the synagogues until their welcome was warn...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    Not in those exact words; it is not needed. The commands concerning conversation are more severe under grace than they are under the law. Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    What about Hezekiah 3:2? You have not demonstrated that any of the above verses give a command for Gentile believers of this NT dispensation should keep the Sabbath. Not one verse. Why is that? You are quoting men? Why not quote the RC Popes, or Charles Taze Russell, or Joseph Smith? Or, why...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    These latter are now inspired of God?? Really Bob! You can't prove your point through Scripture, through sola scriptura so you must resort to fallible men. There is not one command in the NT that commands Gentile believers to keep the Sabbath; not one. In all the years you have been here you...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    Whether you are quoting others or yourself, that which your are posting is false. It is error. For example: No one, is justified by the Law--absolutely no one. The statement is false, error. Furthermore, as previously demonstrated the Sabbath is not part of the moral law of God that God has...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    But this is not only a false statement is unbiblical and contrary to what the Bible teaches. It is also contrary to the supposed "history" you are giving. IMO you are posting a pack of lies. The ceremonial laws, at the very least, were all nailed to the cross. Colossians 2:13 And you, being...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    The Bible doesn't contradict itself. So taking one verse out of the Book of James and then pitting it against all the rest of the Bible is ridiculous. Notice what the Bible says here: Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9...
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    Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

    I haven't read the entire thread; only the OP and some other scattered posts. I find it odd that in this thread on the Sabbath a majority of posts are made from quotes either from EGW (The Great Controversy) or Catholic Sources. The Bible, for the most part has been ignored. Bob in his typical...
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    Paradise Purgatory - the "other" option

    Sorry if I misunderstood you Gerhard, but this is what you wrote: ...a little BIG adjustment, God forgives on the basis of the Reconciliation and Justification through, and in Christ Jesus. It cannot be redefined in any terms of human endeavour or accomplishment. You were writing to me, and I...
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    Paradise Purgatory - the "other" option

    I never even inferred that salvation consists of any "terms of human endeavor or accomplishment." If you are going to falsely accuse me of such heresy then please quote where I said such first. A false accusation without evidence is wrong. The Bible says: Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye...
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