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Not that I recall. Even if it did, I can't see it affecting anything negatively.

He is saying that he is helping the church to rediscover what it once knew to be true but has been lost b/c of the dominance of the RCC (dark ages) and the Reformers based their understanding of justification on that context. As to his views of inerrancy, he may be more liberal than I am on...

You can't condense the brilliance of a man around one issue. NT Wright is more than just a voice on the NPP. He is a staunch defender of the historical Jesus according to the Gospel accounts as well as the bodily resurrection. That alone makes him alright in my book since he has a readership of...

I agree... you need to put aside the neo-platonic conceptualism of heaven and the supernatural world and try to think in a pre-modern ANE mindset where heaven and earth were interconnected w/ one another.

Really... you are going to make that argument about the Jewishness of the OT when you are using concepts foreign to the ANE culture of the Jews and advocating western philosophical dualism???

Working all week... Sunday is about the only day to be with my family for more than 2-3 hours at night. I love that our church only gathers Sunday morning. No Wed. meeting... no Sun. evening... It's awesome. I get to be w/ my wife and girl all day. My question is, why do some here feel it is...

Not really. Otherwise the humility/emptying of Jesus would mean little if it was only temporary. And perhaps your problem is that you cannot see glory in a glorified body.

I just realized... you have over 4,000 posts!!! And you haven't been here that long. Holy frijole! Edit: you've been here longer than I realized.

So where does that verse say anything about the kind of bodily existence the Father or Son has? It is about glory, is it not?

I know this feeling. I'm in Central America. But even Wright's Surprised by Hope would be helpful. You can read it on your computer or tablet if you bout the kindle version. However, his Resurrection and the Son of God is the salient work on this topic. Here is an article, though I've not read...

Actually, the Western post-enlightenment world has been greatly influenced by neo-platonic thought. Duality runs in your veins deep. You are sadly unaware of this philosophical mooring you are so engrossed in. Don't worry, we all are (were).

Suits Scripture more like.

And also your view of divine/sacred space and the metaphysical world is very much Platonic and thus Gnostic. Ancient Near Easterners did not conceive of God is such a way. They believed he was very presently with them while in heaven as well as earth. The temple was the bridge, but it was not...

I think we are worlds apart. There is a need... part of that is implicit in the imago dei! And to say there is no passage that teaches a physical resurrection is absurd. Valley of dry bones was the first to come to mind. Because that is what it is. Gnostics wanted to escape the material world...

So are you saying the destiny of the believers is not resurrection but a bodiless existence? If so, that is very Gnostic and neo-Platonic. But I'm wanting to be sure I understand you correctly.

That's also funny. I always thought my personality was like ironman. Must be why we get along so great!

That is funny... each has Thor gifts. I wish I wielded a hammer like Thor.

Back at ya. I hope I wasn't abrasive. I apologize if I was.

Bingo ;) random smiley :tear:

That is silly... b/c you are interpreting Scripture and thus you are just one more person of "what someone else says the Scripture says." The spiral continues. God gave to the church teachers for a reason.