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Why does that verse about Jesus' glory have to do w/ a body??? Why can't it just refer to glory?

No... but i'll give it a look-see.

I'm not sure it is not both. Bitter-sweet. I think speaking of God's emotions is a tricky thing. Part of the discussion deals w/ God's engagement with space-time and the emotion he feels. This gets confusing b/c God is transcendent. This is where I tread lightly b/c I'm not...

Seriously, Tom. You are not going to respond to me? And you were the one that called me asinine. If that is the level of your argumentation, then I was right. I won. One more time, and this has nothing to do w/ my vertical view of Scripture (you bringing that into the mix is what I commented...

But follow the logic of what I'm saying. God takes pleasure in his glory. God is glorified when he delivers justice. Justice is achieved when those who have sinned against God's eternal glory are punished eternally. Thanks for the link, btw. I've been trying to tell evangelist#### to include...

So it seems a firestorm of sorts has begun from a full preterist wanting to eschew the ancient Christian view of the bodily resurrection of the believer. So I thought we could just lay out a simple Scriptural argument that says what some don't like. Rom 8:8 Those who are in the flesh cannot...

What book by Metzger are you referring? Can you also link it from Amazon? And I would say that God takes pleasure in his own glory. Can God be glorified by those suffering in hell? I can get there. Hell appeases his justice. That his eternal glory was tainted w/ sin and idolatry demands an...

Is there a place for books? This section is for discussion... general discussion. Good grief. Evan is constantly posting about books. I thought he might like this website. Sorry if I offended you, Rev.

Really... you are going to call me asinine? I just said that your comment was asinine. You leap to attacking me the person. I guess I win since you went form attacking the concepts to the person. And this discussion has nothing to do w/ one's view of Scripture. What you fail to grasp is that...

What the...??? What does your worldview have to do w/ my view of Scripture??? That is the most asinine thing you've ever said. Clearly you don't know much about the difference of ancient near eastern worldviews and the western neo-platonic world views you bring into Scripture. Study it. And...

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You are not looking at the afresh. You are so influenced by neo-platonic dualism of material and spiritual that you think what is so obvious to you is in reality foreign to the Ancient Near Easterners who wrote Scripture.

That is all well and good, but that passage I used talks about "flesh" and "bodies". And you have yet to comment on that.

Disagreement is one thing. To pontificate ex cathedra that he is flat wrong is a whole other issue.

Put the conversation in context, maje. The studying of Scripture is not silly. But then neither is reading others who have diligently studied Scripture. My point is that it is silly to think that you are not doing the same thing when you read Scripture... you are just adding your own opinion to...

Hubris much?

I'll give you an example. In the SotM, Jesus says to cut out your eye or hand b/c it is better not to have those parts than to enter hell. Specifically, he says "your whole body be thrown into hell". If we understand the resurrection unto judgment to be something like that, then there is a...

If you don't like it, I'll buy it from you.

The world as in various groups of people, from atheists to conservative evangelicals. He has a wide audience.

Its convenient for you to ask for Scripture when I have already mentioned Ezekiel's example. ANE stands for Ancient Near Eastern... the culture that the Bible was written in and from. Yet you are advocating more of a western, philosophical, neo-platonic dualism of the world (natural and...