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How is it that you two waste time with one another so much??? I think you need to put each other on ignore and move one.

And yet we have been seated with Jesus in the heavenlies. If he is reigning, then so are we.

I defy you to prove that w/ Matthew 2. They are not contextual and not genre relevant. And I have not once said a "spiritual reading". I argued for a typological one. Typological interpretation was at the core of the OT ever since Noah was represented as a new Adam and Moses said one like him...

Yes... Jesus' return is the final knell against death, sin, Satan, and the curse. It is when we are resurrected to new creation.

Is this Walvoord's book you're talking about? My wife had to read that for her undergrad Bib Doc classes. If it is, I remember thinking it was the typical DTS systematic heavy proof-texting notorious with the Dallas trinity of Walvoord, Ryrie, & Pentecost. Again... it is always helpful when...

Not according to Jesus... when the demons are being cast out, God's reign has been restored. The king came, conquered, and ascended to his throne.

I'm not saying the kingdom is consummated fully. But as more convert to Jesus as Lord, the kingdom grows. The kingdom is both present now and yet more to come in the future. And since the entire dynamic changed w/ the resurrection of Jesus... in other words the resurrection once believed to take...

I find it a disservice to the text to remove all present fulfillment of the Kingdom. The present, evil age continues all the while the overlap of the age to come/the age of life ("eternal life" literally in the Greek means age/aeon of life) has been inaugurated w/ Jesus as the firstfruits of new...

Again, the issue isn't actually prophecy per se. It is the entirety of the OT revelation like narrative and other portions that we see as typological. The literal prophecy point is a red herring anyways, bc the NT interprets other parts of the prophets very typologically. They also take their...

Trying to take symbols literally is typically confusing. Try to remember the genre of apocalyptic has a political polemical agenda (they all do)... in this case, the evil of the Roman empire and why Christians should not in any way shape or form participate in the imperial cults (including trade...

Your issue, in this post and the next one you had, is that you keep referring to prophecy. Prophecy is not the only thing that points to Jesus. In fact, prophecy proper is not even future-telling. Like I pointed to, Matthew 2 sees fulfillment of messianic truth in very NON-literal ways. Most of...

So what exactly did you mean, assuming you meant "apocalyptic threats"?

Have you read Andreas Kostnberger's article on this? The Identity of the ᾿ΙΣΡΑΗΛ ΤΟΥ ΘΕΟΥ (Israel of God) in Galatians 6:16 -- By: Andreas J. Köstenberger Journal: Faith and Mission Volume: FM 19:1 (Fall 2001) (if you can't find it online, pm me and I can send it to you) See also Cowan's...

I just realized I failed to comment on this post in particular. Happy reading. I actually think the preterist presentation was the best articulated, although I'm an idealist when it comes to Rev (primarily an idealist). I have only skimmed through the PD and CD positions mainly because I know...

Apocryphal and Apocalyptic mean completely different things. Did you mean to say "apocryphal"?

We're not going to agree on this, so this is moot. If there is an overlap between the ages, all of this is easily explained. Jesus' resurrection has inaugurated new creation. But the present, evil age continues. So there is both peace and unrest.

Let me also add this. I just finished my thesis on Rev 2-3, so I've read a fair bit about John's Apocalypse (and taking a break on Rev for now). And one of the best books I read in all my research was Gorman's Reading Revelation Responsibly. Not an advanced level book. But really outstanding!

I think Isa 13. is the incipient passage (one of them anyways) for Jewish apocalyptic. Good point.

I think that is bogus. Read Matt. 2 and tell me how many of those prophecies were fulfilled literally. More like typologically.

I would nuance that a bit. Beale is an eclectic idealist. His intro in his commentary is quite enlightening. Best commentary on Rev by far.