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No one goes to heaven apart from Christ, but those in the OT didn't necessarily know his name or the details of the gospel. Righteousness was credited to Abraham's account because he believe in God and trusted his promises. Rahab was credited with righteousness because she feared the God of...

You are an intelligent individual. I believe if you read back over the previous posts more carefully it will be made clear. Of course not. No and since I haven't even mentioned a vision, I'm baffled as to how you came to that conclusion. The closest thing that was brought up in regard to...

Is there anyone here making that claim?

Do you think that is only true since the coming of Christ, or was this true of the OT believers? BTW, I believe as you do about present day believers. I think God ensures the gospel revelation comes to those who may respond to the light of his general revelation...but I'm just exploring...

Well, actually if you read on in Romans 10 it appears Paul is arguing that Israel has already heard, which is the reason I bring up the OT 'God fearers.' They may have some semblance of understanding for the coming Messiah, but they don't necessarily know the "NAME" or fully understand the...

Who has said that? :eek:

I'm not saying its not necessary to accomplish the ultimate goal. Relationship with Christ can't happen unless they hear the gospel, and that is the ultimate goal. The goal is not just avoiding hell. Also, if a little revelation could provoke man's will to consider acknowledge God exists...

I think Ryan's point about taxing all the wealthiest Americans at 100% only running the government for 98 days was devastating, but no one seems to talk about it. We hear the Dems always talking about tax cuts for the wealthy but obviously that is a drop in the bucket in handling our...

So, the verse is saying that the lost don't have any excuse for not believing God exists? Yet, if they do believe God exists and they fear him, like many are said to have done in OT times, is it your contention that they couldn't be saved?

Which verse says that? Did Enoch, Job, Abraham, Moses and Isaac suppress the the truth? Are you suppressing the truth right now? My statement doesn't contradict Romans 1 or that conclusion, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm arguing that your view of God (not God himself)...

No excuse for what?

One thing we can be sure of tonight is the media's reaction to what each of the two candidates actually say:

I hope he brings up the 47% comment, because I'd love to hear Ryan respond saying, "Speaking of gaffs, lets talk about some of yours... "

Do we have any evidence that OT believers really understood the concept of the coming messiah and his crucifixion for the atonement of sins? I mean even his own apostles weren't really getting it until after he was resurrected. My point is, what if someone (for whatever reason) never...

So, Heir, what you are saying is that those who respond to the light of general revelation will most certainly be sent 'more light' (special revelation), right? While that may be true, you have to admit that the 'special revelation' of the gospel wasn't really made known until after Christ came...

Oh, and one more thing Tom. The missionaries are the ones bringing 'more light' so that those who hear and see it might experience the abundant life we can have in Christ. That light may be given to one who is already been seeking (fearing) God from what they have known, or it may be coming to...

I'm reminded of Jesus' words to Thomas, "You have seen me and believed, but blessed are those who don't see yet still believe." Couldn't you say that of those who don't hear, but still believe? I'm not saying that they are saved apart from Christ's work, I'm just saying that God in his grace...

You say this as if you a sure he doesn't have a choice in the matter. (when I say 'choice,' I actually mean two actual options) So, either man freely choose to suppress the truth, by his own independent will, but he could have willingly done otherwise (which is what I believe). Or man is...

Good way of putting it... Why do some come to the conclusion that Romans 1-2 teaches that revelation is sufficient for condemnation, but not for salvation? What is the excuse for exactly? What might a person offer an excuse for? For whatever it was that condemned him, right? Well, it...