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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    And John wasn't a literal John; Jesus wasn't a literal Jesus; the seven churches weren't seven literal churches. Does common sense count for anything? Apparently not.
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    Take your argument up with God. Are you accusing God of having a bad memory?
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    This is not true. God saved all the disciples, former Jews. But then they weren't Jews any more. A saved Muslim isn't a Muslim any more. He becomes a Christian. Why do you have such a hard time understanding such basic truths of Christianity?
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    I take offense when Scripture is taken out of its context to back up an unscriptural stance. If you can't defend your position using scripture properly, then it is not worth defending. It is just like saying the Bible teaches "There is no God" (Psalm 14:1). Out of context. You do the same...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    God created all things; Satan created nothing. What you have posted is blasphemy! an insult to God--attributing the creation of God to Satan. The only animals that Satan could possibly own are those that Christ, in some why gave to him, as noted here: Matthew 8:31 So the devils besought him...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    Freed from the way the early Christians believed the Scriptures? And you want to pray for me so that I will interpret the Scripture in such a way that a heretic like Origen introduced? Why would you do that? Then it was a Catholic Church father that popularized the same method, Augustine of...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    Alright, if it was different it would be 186,000 or 184,000. Agreed? God is not that bad of a mathematician. Having said that, when one thousand is written five times in Rev.20:1-7 what do you think he means? 1,005? How much leeway are you going to Him? 1,005? But you won't do that will you?
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    And your point is??? . The entire Sermon on the Mount was "kingdom teaching." It also was specifically addressed to his disciples. Taking those two points into consideration that doesn't mean it doesn't have any application to those outside of the 12 disciples. And it doesn't mean that it...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    Romans 2:28,29 has nothing to do with Col.2:11. That is very poor hermeneutics. Romans 2:28,29 is speaking about the Jews, not the Christians. Romans 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, --The entire "conversation" is taken up with an...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    Did the Lord limit himself? The statement is true whether he said 100 or 1000 or 100,000. Do you know which thousand he was referring to? Neither do I. Nevertheless, a thousand is still a thousand. It doesn't vary. It is a number of a certain quantity. It cannot change. Do you think God was...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    It can't be both. If it is literal, it means a literal "thousand years" and not a year more or less.
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    A true Jew is a Jew, period. There is no other meaning to a Jew but a Jew. Israel still exists today, and Paul throughout his lifetime continued to pray for the salvation of the Israelites (Rom.9:1-5: 10:1-3). Paul always made a distinction between the Jew and the Gentile. He went to the Jew...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    So the five times that the word "thousand" is used in Revelation 20 is literal?
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    Not even close? I have already been through this with some others here. So how do you explain Isa.11:6-9? Will there be a time coming when the lion will lie down with the lamb in peace, and the curse on this earth that is this very earth be lifted and it will return to its natural state such as...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    He qualifies for all three offices right now. That doesn't mean exercises all the authority of all three offices. Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. --It is evident...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    I believe the context of Romans two in general is describing Jews. The true Jews are not Christians. They are Jews such as David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc. The Jew that he is describing here: Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    The Israelites were not his servants, they were his enemies. They crucified him as a common criminal. Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, When Paul uses the word "servant" he uses the word "doulos" or the word for "slave." He...
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    The Crux of Keeping the Sabbath Day Contention

    "We testify of that we know." What do you know? What are you able to testify of? You keep starting threads on the Sabbath? Why? Perhaps the Sabbath to you is the same as the Christian Sabbath was to Moody, that is, Sunday. So, if it is, how do you observe this day? How important is it too you...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    In this thread it is not just and primarily about Calvinism, it is also about Amillennialism, which I believe stands on very shaky ground. In fact the author of this site: http://www.compellingtruth.org/amillennialism.html believes its origin, beginning with Augustine, was influenced by the...
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    The Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem. .....the Church

    You are still hung up on this? There was no blatant fabrication. You have been making things up all this time. Go back and read what I just posted, that is my explanation, and understand the truth. Why are you going on and on about nothing??
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