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I think that is exactly the pictoral power of Rev. 20: Satan has been defeated, Jesus is victorious (seen many times already in Rev.), now all that is left is the final judgment.

I've observed a close similarity to Hebrews and Rev as well. After studying other apocalyptic literature as well as Qumran writings, I am coming to the conclusion that Hebrews is a manuscripted sermon (common) of an apocalyptic preacher, or at least a preacher entrenched in the apocalyptic...

This country? Are you so ego-focused and Americo-centric that you forget there is a globe out there? At least qualify yourself with "... will become of USA?" I want 1 of 2 things... revival in the USA or the outlaw of Christianity in the USA. Maybe option 3, the upheaval of the USA. Get...

Second, the dispie understanding of Jacob's trouble was invented by dispies. That is what theology does. And first, how is it begging the question? Would it not be a gross assumption to say that there is a blessing for the church to read that book when no one in the church will experience any...

I was just saying that I prefer TGC better because it is broader in its reach than 9Marks.

Bingo :thumbs: :applause:

Bingo :thumbs: :applause:

The rock in the wilderness that Moses hit. It's Jesus!!!

9Marks does not have the man power to screen every church submission. However, I've used it before to get an idea or the lay of the land (local church options). Then I went to the church's website to do a further investigation. By and large, it is like-minded churches on there. Honestly, I...

Can you explain more what makes your view "other"? Cause it sounds like historicism.

Which bears my point... I. Howard Marshall is an Arminian Covenanter. John MacArthur is a Calvinist Dispensationalist. It is a non-issue for this part of the BB.

Anyone know why this is in the Calvie/Armie debate thread? This really has nothing to do w/ soteriology of Calvinism or Arminianism. I know Calvie Dispos and Arminian Covenanters.

So Revelation can be symbolic when it suits your theology??? Interesting. Now a literal & consistent interpretation would restrict that to just John. So what hermeneutical rule to you advocate to leave your Dispie sine quo non (if you don't know what this is then you haven't read Ryrie)...

I like how you listed definition 1 but left out Thayer's second definition: "near... of time". BTW... those are not listed in order of importance, like definition 1 supersedes 2 if it will help your theology. And in this case, since the context, the subject (!), is about time, then your...

Darn you, perspicuity!

This completely throws out the OP then.

Fair enough... But if you see it as future before 70, then aren't you saying that it is about the Roman Empire and the destruction of the temple in 70? That would make you a preterist then. Historicist sees Rev as spanning church history.

I would have put you as a preterist.

In which camp do you basically fall? Here is a brief summary of the 4 views. I don't know this website enough to endorse it, but it is simple enough. For the full article, go here: http://www.ptm.org/03PT/MarApr/4ViewsRev.htm See Four Views on the Book of Revelation to get an overview of...

Considering the genre of Rev and its (and the genre of apocalyptic at large) use of Ezekiel, I have no problem taking this not literally but as another picture of the victory of Jesus & God. It doesn't have to walk on all 4's. The idealistic interpretation is that Jesus wins. Apocalyptic was...