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I found nothing inspiring about the video. I don't care what the nation was. I care about what it is... and the only word that comes to my mind is "infanticide". I hope we wouldn't call America Christian when so many babies are being sacrificed to the god of America---the individualistic...

I'm not saying it doesn't matter, but that it took 300 years for the doctrine to be hashed out is not necessarily a testament to its validity or lack thereof. Needless to say, the church had bigger fish to fry. Predestination is an "in house" issue. The church was dealing w/ its own identity...

Hmmm... Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. I fail to see how this discounts total depravity. In fact, it seems to affirm it. Men are so depraved, that no matter how much will or exertion they put forth to earn salvation, it will never be...

I appreciate the effort. As for not hanging my hat on it... is that based on Anderson's quote? B/c he saw what pretty much all commentators saw and then made an audacious claim of sophomoric error of Greek grammar. I wish I could find where Anderson earned his PhD. However, I trust the...

I guess that is is partly my point. The grammar is quite clear. There is nothing "OBSCURE" in 1 Jn 5:1. It is straight forward in the text. So why can't I use this to interpret those other verses. After all, you have to start w/ at least 1 verse to interpret the rest. I choose this on...

Go to the OP and understand the grammar better. And remember, word order in Greek matters not.

There's a strong counter argument. Let me give it a try... nuh uh! Seriously, I acknowledged the context and still kept my grammatical arguments within those parameters. I never once said the point of the verse was to argue for an ordo salutis. I am saying that John's ordo salutis is...

Just a quick question for Van for clarification. You speak of Rom. 9:16 as if it is about salvation. If that is correct, can you interpret the rest of ch. 9? Do you switch to a different view (like Rom. 9 is about national election or some such)? I'm surprised to see a non-calvie use Rom. 9...

I honestly do not know his proficiency in using Strong's numbers and doing a NT search. I'm sure he can manage it. As you said, a cave man could do it.

I'm not offended in the slightest from anybody so far. But as you have noted, my desire to exegete 1 Jn 5:1 has been avoided. I am willing to face the charges that a dozen verses say that faith causes regeneration. But if that is true, then 1 Jn 5:1 should say the same thing, should it not...

Couple things. I am not pulling this verse out of context. I addressed the context, not in the OP, but I did address it. Second, if my interpretation is wrong, then not only should the rest of Scriptures say so (which has been your argument), but you should be able to demonstrate my faulty...

The contagium of confusion... sounds like a theology I know ;)

Actually, this is my first venture in this part of the forum. I just entered the foray today. I thought this would be about as objective as you could get. "Here is a verse. I believe it means this based on the grammar. Am I wrong? Can you show me where I made a mistake in interpreting this...

Jn 20:31 may not be as clear as you like. And I used to make Jn 20:31 a watershed for faith preceding regeneration. But I think a good argument can be made that "life" in John's gospel account is a reference to eternal life or life in the age to come. That aside. I asked that this thread...

Then I am really confused.

Still not answering the question, dude. Let me rephrase. Is the Greek word for "salvation" ever used in a way that doesn't refer to "a sinner being changed by act of god, being reborn from above, and eternally saved and secured in Christ"??? For example, does the Greek word translated...

Really? The OP doesn't include the title? I am not acknowledging something? It is my fault this "went south"? Even if I didn't say it, grammar isn't included as a part of exegesis? Even if I didn't say it, my OP was littered w/ grammatical points and you couldn't have figured it out...

You didn't answer my first question. In your OP, you say "the Bible only knows one salvation." Am I to assume then that whenever the word "salvation" or soteria is used, context be damned, I can bank on it meaning the "one salvation" that "the Bible... knows"? I just want you to clarify...

I just wish we lived in a world that was moved more by the symbolic and dare I say mystical. That is why I have a different view of communion than the typical baptist remembrance view.

It can... if you would let it. I am not using words of time. I am using words of causality. Cause and effect. No time whatsoever has to elapse in the interchange of cause & effect. I am not saying that there is time in between regeneration and faith. I am saying that this verse...