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Who is lying? John Piper? If I am lying then post a quote, a paragraph even, from what you have posted showing an orthodox position that being born again is NOT the Spirit indwelling as myself and John Piper believe it is. I read your post, I don't see it. If I am wrong, quote from your post...

Here is what I actually said repeatedly even...."...... I have repeatedly asked for an orthodox quote of someone explaining that being born again and Spirit indwelling are two separate things and none has come forth." I never said you simply did not post anything. Let's stick with the facts...

Here is what John Piper has to say about this. Maybe you consider John a "bad" Calvinist, idk... What Happens in the New Birth? So let’s turn now to the question: What happens in the new birth? I will try to put the answer in three statements. The first two we will deal with today, and the...

LOL. That's a good one, seeing I have repeatedly asked for an orthodox quote of someone explaining that being born again and Spirit indwelling are two separate things and none has come forth.

??? POST A QUOTE!!! TC posted three pages and not one sentence in it has anything to do with being born-again is different than Spirit indwelling. Should I go buy a book you suggest and waste my time if your not going to intrigue me with a quote from it on topic?

I read everything TC posted. Nowhere does any of it say born-again is not the Spirit indwelling. So why don't you just find a quote and bring it forth?? I told you guys this theology is new to me, I never heard it before. You say it is orthodox. Maybe it is and I just never heard it. So bring...

You nor TC has provided any orthodox works that declare being born-again and the indwelling of the Spirit are two different things.

TC, not sure why you posted all of this. Just give a quote from something orthodox that shows being born-again is NOT the Holy Spirit indwelling. This is what Robust had said and is what you said he was correct on when you jumped in on the conversation.

Ok, so how does this support Robust's assertion that being born-again is not the Holy Spirit indwelling? Which you declared he was right on.

Well this certainly is intriguing. Have I been missing something all of these 20 years of study and debate for this is the first time I ever had another Christian say being born-again is not the Spirit indwelling. Maybe I will do a poll and see how widespread this goes.

Could you provide some historic Christian orthodoxy that declares born-again is not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

Sorry brother Martin. Election and Predestination is embraced by both Cal and non-Cal born-again congregations. I could post any scripture as an answer against Calvinism just the same. We are speaking of what man has created to indoctrinate his view upon the subject....Calvinism/TULIP. In fact...

Ok, I certainly learn something new on a regular basis here on the BB. I must admit I never knew any born-again Christian who took this position that being born of God is not having the Holy Spirit indwelling, Cal or non-Cal. Robust claims most good Calvinist believe this way. Is this true? I...

Well Anyone can see that I did. You haven't refuted any of it, you just keep saying "no it does not". That is not debating what has been presented. And where is your scripture showing being born of God/Regeneration is not having the Spirit of God indwelling you? And where is your scripture...

Well according to the NT they are indeed one in the same thing and I presented lots of scripture evidence and there is plenty more. What you will not find is any reference to regeneration in the OT. Thus, your argument is from silence and really not defendable imo. Calvinism simply must have it...

Only took about 1800 years to come up with Calvinism/TULIP. Interesting...what would we poor souls have done without this new twist of explaining the Gospel...believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved...no wait...that is be saved and you will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Well you certainly have a one of a kind theology there brother. Once one is born of the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit is living in you, joined together as one spirit (1Cor6). The Spirit come upon OT saints, however, regeneration is NT and began only after the glorification of Jesus Christ (John 7)...

Lol. I have no dilemma there brother. What John taught is in perfect harmony with all other scriptures concerning regeneration.

I gave you a detailed exposition. Not sure why you cannot connect the dots. Do we need to go verses by verse and answer questions? "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3) "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but...

I first must apologize for being facetious with you. I thought everyone on this board with maybe the exception of Trevor knew that regeneration is Christ's Spirit/Holy Spirit quickening the believer's spirit, birthing a new creature, joining two as one with Christ. I will have to just choose a...