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Proper exegesis of any passage requires one take in and consider the full counsel of Gods Word. We cannot allow one passage to nullify another. They must come to an interpretation where both are true. John 8:31 clearly shows Jews believing on Jesus and then later picking up stones to kill him...

So the hundreds of translators of the KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, RSV, ASV, DBY, WEB and the HNV didn't even have a 3rd grade eduction?

So the translation whether it be "has been" or "is" doesn't change anything? It's a simple matter of fact statement. Anyone who believes Jesus is the Christ is or has been born of God. Calvinist or not, anyone can agree with it.

Oh, that would make Arminius a Calvinist then. Lol.

Lol. No, it would then make me NOT one. Lol.

So then these Jews which believed on Jesus and later picked up stones to kill him were born of God? "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed." (John 8)

I seems you believe since your version says "has been" that this somehow makes your position perfectly correct in some way. Actually, KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, RSV, ASV, DBY, WEB and HNV translate this "is" born or "is" begotten of God. The NLT translates this as "has become" a child of God, which...

Ok, and most all the members I know who post here do not reject all five of these points. I have been called a Calvinist for accepting even one point. So what I am I then? I believe in OSAS, am I a Calvinist or a Arminian? I have been called a 1pt & 2pt Calvinist, lol. How about a 3 or 4pt...

"And the women answered one another as they played, and said, Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands." (1Sa18:7)

I don't think there are too many Arminians here on the BB. Bob Ryan is the only one I know who professes to be one. PM him and maybe he will take it up with you.

For a Catholic, isn't that like saying "I am a Christian, but I am certainly not necessarily a fan of Peter". Or any other Apostle for that matter? That's kinda like these professing Christians who say they don't believe the entire bible is correct. I have asked Catholics to give an answer...

"Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast...

Aren't you making yourself look foolish? I posted word for word what they said and took it straight from their own websites. Saying it is out of context is just disparation on your part.

I would say the reason the SDA church began to finally grow is their softening of their rhetoric towards other Christians, at least publically. I began debating in the late nineties and even then I came up against SDA's who preached any who did not follow their doctrines would be damned. And you...

I did my research. I looked up two very well known Calvinist and posted their sermons. These "scholarly seminary" men find your position of born again and the Spirit indwelling being separate false. Now you would say they are not "good" Calvinist, but I think they know Calvinism inside and out.

Oh my goodness! It is EXACTLY what they say it is. Go read the whole sermon folks. It is not out of context one bit. How in the world can this be out of context?? " Paul's point is pretty simple. If a person receives eternal salvation through trust in Christ who is publicly displayed as...

You would be correct.

I find it odd that you would think Piper and MacArthur not "good" Calvinist for understanding and teaching that being born again and the Spirit indwelling are the same.

Wrong. I responded with ......"post a quote from an orthodox source explaining born again is NOT the Spirit indwelling." I am not going to do your research for you to find an orthadoxy quote that will support your pov. That is on you. I did my own research to support my pov and found John Piper...

There are actually some well known Calvinist who understand and teach that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit IS Regeneration/born again. Here is a quote from a John MacArthur sermon on the Holy Spirit... " Paul's point is pretty simple. If a person receives eternal salvation through trust in...