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392 views and the question remains for the Calvinist.

(1) Only one Calvinist has attempted to deal with the living water "thing". Willis tried, but his position places those having been given the living water as Christ making them thirsty when Christ said they would never thirst AFTER receiving the living water that He shall give. You simply agreed...

And you still haven't explained the passage as seen through Calvinism's lens. Just ignore it, like the living water is ignored.

So God gives them the living water first so they then get thirsty? Jesus said if they have the living water they will never thirst! That's the difference between the biblical view and the Calvinism view.

This living water issue sure silenced the Calvinist on here.......

Then please explain how this fits into your theology. Remember, your claim is that Jesus' atonement paid ONLY for ALL the sins the elect has committed. For this to be true, the passage would have to be interpreted as.... "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be...

You seem to be totally ignorant of the fact that Jesus said, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men".

Just remember it is Jesus who said it. I'll side with Him. You can argue with Him if you like. Yes, biblical limited atonement just as Jesus said. Not Calvinism's manmade version.

You are spot on once again. Belief in limited atonement only reveals limited understanding of scripture. Many passages of scripture must be ignored if one is to embrace Calvinism. Jesus made it very clear that all manner of sin will be forgiven WITH AN EXCEPTION. Notice Jesus did not pray the...

Willis, to sum your belief up on this issue in one sentence, it would be... 'Jesus first gives a person living water so that they can become thirsty'. Now does that make sense?

I was thinking of a few Calvinist here and those who hold to Calvinism tenants, even though they don't like being called a Calvinist.

Actually, all these points could fall under Calvinist themselves; What is CDS and how is it identified on this board? For starters: (1) An obsession with all things Calvinist. (2) Attacks on John Calvin the man, not John Calvin's views on predestination and election. (3) A failure to...

Yes, you already said that and I showed you that it goes against what Jesus said, (John 7:37-39), thirst comes before the living water. It is the living water, the Spirit, which then quickens one with eternal life. Read this carefully.... John 4:14 - "But whosoever drinketh of the water that...

By "truth" you mean Calvinism. DHK's point.

You are missing the contradiction in your position. Thirst is NOT regeneration according to Jesus Christ. Thirst is ONLY the drawing, the Living Water is the regeneration. This Living Water, the Spirit, was NOT YET GIVEN, until Jesus Christ was glorified AFTER His resurrection.

I believe your sermon as presented actually goes against Calvinism's proclamation that regeneration comes first. The "living water" is "eternal life", In your sermon you would be saying God draws by giving thirst, this thirst is NOT regeneration for the person has not yet received the "living...

Yeah, like I said.....see above...

I have to respect SBM for embracing the consequences of embracing Calvinism. He simply has arrived where the doctrine must go. Most Calvinist choose to ignore this. A few others here get very close and even let things slip now and again, just to walk it back afterwards. I would say a few here...

So the Holy Spirit is warning unbelievers not to be unbelievers while at the same time knowing full well they have no choice but to be unbelievers? Yeah, that sure sounds logical. :rolleyes: