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In the quoted context, you were talking about the NA not UBS. Their apparatuses are vastly different, the UBS being so much smaller. And in the world of textual criticism outside of the NT, concepts similar to the Byzantine priority are more the majority. I'm not arguing against you, just...

History would show that your view of Israel and the Law to be incorrect. They were not all legalist hoping to enter the covenant community but rather thought it was of highest importance to maintain their distinctiveness from the outside world by strict adherence to the Law b/c they were elect...

I don't get it... but I hope we can keep this light-hearted. I don't know if there is a Lutheran understanding of justificaiton pre-Luther. I'd be interested to see how other early church fathers talk about justification to see if Wright's view could be consistent with them.

Gonna have to break this one up... sorry. What exactly do you want from me? As far as I can tell, you want me to reply to your links. That is a long and tedious process. I'd rather converse with you, not your links. Dude, I'm not defending him as if everyone else arguing against him is a...

Maybe you didn't understand my point. So let me say it again, hopefully more clearly. What I was saying was addressing the fact that Wright's view is shot down mainly b/c it appears new. Wright's entire point is that it is not new, just rediscovered through historical evidence (which no one...

Sorry I missed it. Which post exactly?

This is curious. Can you back up the equation of emergent theology w/ the NPP. I'd like to look into that.

What I've addressed came from Wright's article specifically. In that very article he explains how he is different from Sanders or Dunn. And frankly, since I was the one that read his article (not sure if you did), the onus is on you to display that you understand his view to which you...

The NA text doesn't use "BYZ" in its apparatus. Just FYI. And honestly, I've heard this argument before, but would you prefer them to list out every single Byzantine Ms? It is a shorter way to refer to the same textform and tradition. I actually find it helpful. I can spot the Byzantine...

Dunn and Sanders are not w/ Wright. They may have some overlap, but then again, you do as well w/ Wright. Now, I'd like to see if you could explain Wright's view of justification. That would be helpful.

But listen to yourself. If God is God and he knew the choices they would make, and God cannot change, and God cannot be wrong; then doesn't it stand to reason that even what God knew before hand was determinative since it could not happen any other way?

What if "word of God" is not a reference to the Scriptures there but the gospel message. Read the context of chpt. 4 and the repeated use of "word" or logos" in Hebrews. It makes sense. Just a thought.

Quick comment before I go and do a lengthier one later: You are misrperesenting Wright. He is saying that our works justify us. But what he means by justification is not how you are defining it. So I'm not making the straw man. I am presenting his views as correctly as possible. I'm using...

But what you are doing is maintaining your definition of "justification" and applying it to Wright's words as if he means the same thing. Thus he would be saying something heretical, perhaps. But even he would say that justification as a judicial announcement comes from a judge, in this case...

I'll admit that I'm still searching and even that I have been greatly influenced recently b/c I have been reading many of Wright's seminal work in NT studies. That said, I don't claim to be an expert in the debate. However, let me offer my conclusions. To state that Wright is preaching...

Let's be fair first of all... this is no longer "new". It has been hashed and rehashed in the academic world. It just takes 30 years to leak down to us laymen. Personally, I find a lot of value in the historical method that was employed to get to the various positions. But honestly, I've...

Even further... If God chose me based on my future decision, and God cannot be wrong, and therefore it could not happen any other way; then even God's pre-knowledge of my decision is a determined part of God's plan. The only way around this is an open view of God, which I contend is part of...

how about you? Just curious.

Blizza blam!!! Exactly.

It seems like you are resting your entire textual position on this one Ms. That's a pretty weak textual philosophy isn't it? Some might say that it didn't work great for W&H. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised that IF it turns out to be a 1st century mss that it helps us textually no more...