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Fair enough... I'll leave you to it then. (BTW... that is a quotable there)

That was my entire purpose - weighing more carefully our words. I wanted to demonstrate that you overstated your case. However, you offered something compelling and that is commendable. I think my motive was assumed to be nefarious rather than altruistic. I was genuinely trying to see iron...

Aside from the invective, I'm not sure where I even said "adjective" nor anything about mistakes of the past. That is pretty relevant since you are insisting that "seems to be" what I "believe." In fact, I said that saying "Christ" has lead to the mistake that people assume it was another name...

I was hoping to hear your comments on what I said about "anointed one" being better b/c it is the denotative meaning. I still feel like "Messiah" became a proper noun and connoted a ministry/mission that found its fulfillment in the NT. The word "Christ" picked up that term, but later on in...

Not according to the title of the thread, the OP, AND your post that I initially responded to (http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1815894&postcount=2). It has been about the creation story of Genesis and Adam. You cited Jesus, yet gave no Scripture (don't you accuse me of that later...

But honestly, don't you think it less likely to misunderstand Jesus Messiah, Messiah, or Jesus the Messiah rather than Jesus Christ or simply terms like Christ? I feel like much of NT scholarship is just now catching up to Messianic import of the NT, partly due to the fact that we have been...

That still answers nothing about Jesus saying anything about creation as you argued earlier. I think I said as much. But I'm not sure you addressed what I said. "Book of Moses" was an ancient title for the Law/Torah/Pentateuch. It doesn't prove anything other than the title ascribed...

Actually, I'd think you find that "Messiah" became known as a popular titled (proper noun even) that connoted more than an anointed one. So it is not that confusing.

Allow me to split hairs here. But you didn't cite anything about the flood in Gen. 1. Isn't that the point of the OP??? Neither did you demonstrate where Jesus says that Moses wrote Genesis. Though he used a common title "Book of Moses", he was quoting Exodus. Even if he is referring to...

I keep hearing this "most correct" w/ "annointed one" as if the denotative meaning is more important than the connotative meaning. "Messiah" is the connotative meaning and speaks more to the point as a clear reference back to the OT. As for the HCSB, I don't know much about their translation...

Seriously, where did Jesus say that Moses wrote Genesis??? Where did he even mention the creation story in Gen. 1??? You say it is a fact b/c he said it was a fact. I am simply asking for proof. I'm not saying you're wrong or that I deny creation as told in Gen. 1. I just think we need to...

Where did Jesus do that??? I'm speaking of Moses and Genesis in particular, but creation story as literal and fact in general.

If referring to translational philosophy, it is only MORE correct and precise if it communicates the meaning to the new audience. I feel like "Messiah" reverberates a lot louder than "annointed one".

If that is the case (and I think you are right), then I find John 20:31 to be difficult as a Calvinist. It seems to put faith as the cause for regeneration whereas Calvinism would say that regeneration is the cause for faith. I have answers to this, but I'm not altogether convinced of my own...

Personally, I prefer "Messiah" since that restricts the meaning of the Greek word to its likeliest understanding in the NT. Or to say it another way, it helps Christians reading an English NT to have a clearer meaning of what "Christ" is NOT (i.e. it helps them to realize that it is a title...

Or to say it another way, a non-Lutheran-but-still-evangelical understanding of justification isn't just limited to one type of NPP in the process of salvation. There are many different forms to which Wright is but one.

Does Justification=the gospel??? Is Paul's gospel only justification by faith, or is there more to it??? Where is this gospel=justification in Jesus' ministry??? I know where people will point, but vindication makes better sense there. Where is justification in Jesus' ministry??? Just...

Absolutely! I think Heb. 4:12 is a good example that is often misused. I feel the context bears out that "word of God" refers to the gospel message. That has important implications as it is the gospel that is a double-edged sword and divides.

Not to beat a dead horse... but this is simply false. First, I have never admitted to embracing the NPP. That's is your first strawman. I am simply defending your misrepresentation of Wright. Second, Wright affirms a forensic understanding of justification (but a justification that is...

I don't think Wright would have a problem w/ your final statement. The problem is the way we are defining "justification". I wonder if you could explain Wright's view of justification, which is why I asked.