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T - Men are born Totally unable to willingly receive God's appeal to be reconciled. U - God Unconditionally chose a select few to effectually save, leaving the rest in their Totally unable condition. L - God Limited the atonement to those He unconditionally elected. I - God Irresistibly...

I already answered that in one of your threads... HERE>>>>

Let's be clear, no one here is blaming God of an injustice. Instead, they are arguing the man-made claims about God are unjust...and unbiblical.

And there you go again presuming the point that is up for debate. Read your statement again Aaron and try to understand. I really don't care if you ever agree with me, but I would like for you to at least grasp the other perspective because I can tell you are a smart individual and have the...

While I agree with the content of this statement, it seems to me some use this as a blank check to justify any amount of injustice their particular theological system blames on God. Clearly scripture reveals that God cannot lie, he doesn't tempt me to evil and that he is perfectly holy and thus...

I think you missed my point Icon. Never mind.

No, just not "deterministic control." I agree with what Edwards said when he wrote, "God has established a world in which sin will indeed necessarily come to pass by God's permission, but not by his "positive agency." Notice how he distinguishes between what God permits and his 'positive...

So, I guess you reject the term 'Trinity' too? Yet, Calvin and most Calvinists affirm free will (compatibilistic free will, not libertarian free will), but to each his own. Where is the term 'free moral agent' in the bible? Oh no, you are starting to get too philosophical. :)

Exactly! :thumbsup: I can't understand why God didn't just effectually regenerate Paul's will so that he would have a new will and become an apostle. I wonder why God used a big fish to change Jonah's will, I mean, doesn't he have control over their hearts via 'effectual' regeneration? I...

What does that even mean Aaron? Read over your statement again and maybe you will see how confounding it sounds. Why would God prevent that which he 'subjects?' Foreknowledge presumes permission otherwise what is there to be foreknown? IOW, God's choice to subject the world to the choice of...

Yet, I've yet to hear a Calvinist sufficiently explain why God would judicially hardened a man born totally depraved. Why blind a man born totally blind? God seals a man in his hardened condition so as to accomplish a redemptive purpose, but if Calvinism is true there would be no reason for...

No, it's not. I never even implied the statement you attributed to me and it completely misses the point of contention being discussed. It only shows you have yet to objectively deal with my actual views.

Yes! That is my point. He determined to bring about the writing of the scriptures, which is the very thing that makes the scriptures uniquely authoritative. If God equally determine everything then what makes anything uniquely authoritative? It's like when Calvinists quote Paul's testimony...

Which would be the perfect excuse. "Why didn't you believe in Christ?" asks God. "Due to my inherited sinful nature I could not believe. It wasn't granted to me. I wasn't chosen. I wasn't loved.," replies the unbeliever. What better excuse is there in the world than that? He can't...

Icon, with all due respect this type of critique is a bit uninformed. Libertarianism (free will theology) is a philosophical system, but so is Capatibilism (Calvinism). You may not engage in that aspect of the discussion, but both are rooted in their respective biblical view of scripture. And...

That says, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Not, "I was sinful at birth and even after God sends you Christ, the apostles, the scriptures, the church, and the gospel appeal you will not be able to willingly respond." You do know we affirm the...

So, by that logic anything that doesn't make sense to us must be deemed as "God's way" and anything that makes good sense must be 'carnal.'

Explain something to me. If a person's heart is as God determined it to be in the first place, then what exactly is God "changing?" Isn't he just changing what He had already determined? How is anything really "changed" in a world where God has casually predetermined (through second/third...

Wow. After all that you seriously think that summarizes my argument? No wonder you fight against my views so vehemently. I would too if I thought that is what our side believes. As Aristotle wisely said, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without...

Whoa, got to stop you there. I never said "apart from an inherited sin nature." I believe men are born sinners, which is why God sent a savior. I believe men are born enemies, which is why God makes an appeal for all his enemies to be reconciled. I believe men are born slaves, which is why He...