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  1. Skandelon

    Let's hash out the distinction between Original Sin and Total Depravity.

    How will they respond to that which they do not know? And yes, the Gospel has power. (ref. Rom 1:16) It has the power to accomplish its purpose: To inform men of the truth and empower them to be reconciled to God. Is the gospel a work of the Holy Spirit? Yes. Jesus said, "The words I...
  2. Skandelon

    Calvinists have a "higher" view of mankind than Non-Calvinists

    The labels of "Calvinist", "Arminian, or "non-Calvinist" are in reference to a particular theological soteriology, and should not be confused with a blanket affirmation of any one individual (as many different individuals have held to these differing views throughout history). Thus, such a...
  3. Skandelon

    Calvinists have a "higher" view of mankind than Non-Calvinists

    Calvinists may claim to affirm "that unbelieving men reject God despite God's love and gracious provisions," but to do so they must redefine "love and gracious provision" to include God's common grace toward those he didn't choose. Regardless, the real saving LOVE that GRACIOUSLY provides what...
  4. Skandelon

    Calvinists have a "higher" view of mankind than Non-Calvinists

    Non-Calvinists teach that unbelieving men reject God despite God's love and gracious provisions, making those who remain in unbelief truly horrible, deserving of condemnation and inexcusable for their rebellion. Calvinists, on the other hand, teach that unbelievers are unbelievers because God...
  5. Skandelon

    Let's hash out the distinction between Original Sin and Total Depravity.

    Icon, I'm not sure what the all the fuss is over these truths. I see nothing here with which any non-Calvinistic scholar would disagree. Do you? If so, what and why?
  6. Skandelon

    Let's hash out the distinction between Original Sin and Total Depravity.

    It informs men of truth and draws (or enables) them to respond to that truth. Those who refuse to believe this truth do so for one of two reasons: 1) Because faith wasn't granted to them due to fact that God didn't really will for them to be saved (the perfect excuse for the unbeliever)...
  7. Skandelon

    Let's hash out the distinction between Original Sin and Total Depravity.

    This is senseless because if salvation from condemnation is not in view then from what are they being excused? If acknowledging God as God in faith would have saved them, and they have no excuse for not doing just that then how can you deny that it was insufficient to 'bring salvation.' It's...
  8. Skandelon

    Let's hash out the distinction between Original Sin and Total Depravity.

    Mandym, I'm not attempting to be rude, but this doesn't make any sense. How is my argument against Calvinism's weak simply because I acknowledge their argument? Which was MY argument against their claims to begin with... the one you called "weak" :confused: If I am arguing against man's...
  9. Skandelon

    Let's hash out the distinction between Original Sin and Total Depravity.

    Not since Paul introduced a "Righteousness apart from the law." See, this is the problem Calvinists continue to make. Calvinists use passages talking about the law of righteousness (i.e. no one can be righteous by the law) and apply it to Righteousness by faith (i.e. no one can have faith...
  10. Skandelon

    Let's hash out the distinction between Original Sin and Total Depravity.

    Yet, Calvinists claim that is the very argument Paul is attempting to address in Romans 9, so regardless if you think it is "weak" or not doesn't change the merits of the argument...it only gives undue cause to dismiss and redirect (a common fallacy of debate).
  11. Skandelon

    Let's hash out the distinction between Original Sin and Total Depravity.

    When people are confronted with Calvinistic teaching their first and most difficult objection is typically something like this: "How can God rightly condemn mankind with eternity in hell for not fulfilling a requirement that they are not even given the ability to fulfill?" This is an...
  12. Skandelon

    So Where Do those Who hold To Arminianism Receive Their Assurance From?

    Both Cals and non-Cals affirm the work of God in regeneration, so both of us should be resting in God's work to sanctify and adopt us. Well, since non-Cals deny that believing in Christ is a "work" and would certainly never affirm that it's something we do "on our own," you've once again managed...
  13. Skandelon

    What view of justice is "carnal" and what is not?

    I know what the fallacy is Aaron, I spent eight years in competitive debate and still help judge on occasion. And, as I explained, you equating divine foreknowledge with predetermination as if it is a given is the quintessential example of the question begging fallacy. More so than your act of...
  14. Skandelon

    Vessels of Wrath?

    I think it is actually just the opposite Willis, but I see why you think that... The 'vessels of wrath' who have been prepared for destruction are the Jews (generally speaking of course). God has patiently 'held out his hands to these rebellious people' (10:21) and by rejecting God's goodness...
  15. Skandelon

    What view of justice is "carnal" and what is not?

    I suppose in your world the 'sound mind' is defined as the mind who agrees with the deterministic premise, right? I'm trying to follow your reasoning here. Is the question "Did the Holocaust happen?" supposed to parallel "Does God causally determine all things?" And is the answer, "Hitler...
  16. Skandelon

    What view of justice is "carnal" and what is not?

    Oh, your feet do it too? Yes there is. There is the conclusion I presented, you know the one that the majority of believers have come to. Now, you can continue to deny such a conclusion even exists, because after all then you wouldn't have to debate against it...and that is much easier for...
  17. Skandelon

    Does God HAVE To be "fair" In His Dealings With man?

    Just so you understand, any statement that is not a direct quote of God (i.e. scripture), can be deemed as "man-made," including claims made by Calvinistic MEN. As discussed before, He provided the means by which anyone, through faith, can be reconciled to God, which is what makes His appeal...
  18. Skandelon

    can God Override the Human will if He So Chose?

    But, proof that God uses overwhelmingly convincing circumstances to ensure his message of redemption is delivered is any thing but proof that God uses secret inward irresistible working to ensure certain pre-selected individuals believe their message. In fact, it makes little since for God to...
  19. Skandelon

    Does God HAVE To be "fair" In His Dealings With man?

    True. Actually he shows mercy to all. "For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." - Romans 11:32 "The wonder of God's mercy and grace is NOT that He doesn't save everyone; it is that He even saves ANYONE!" This is the very essence of what I...
  20. Skandelon

    can God Override the Human will if He So Chose?

    Yes, I believe he 'could' have said no, but who would given those overwhelming circumstances. It would be like Jonah not being convinced by spending 3 days in a fish...just not real likely. God will go to whatever lengths necessary to ensure the delivery of his divinely appointed message.
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