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UNLESS you have faith in Christ... This is the point. God made a way for us to become holy, so to deny that God provides the means to accomplish what he commands is unfounded. He told us to be holy and provided the way that we could. He always grants the means to accomplish that which he...

There is no rule against giving credit for a quote. You do it every time you push the quote button and respond to my words. That is all I asked you to do, just give credit to the one making the quote and/or link to the thread where it was made... no big deal What?!? I've taken many non-Cals...

I COULD stand in agreement if I were able to ask the authors to define more clearly what is meant by 'assisting grace.' As I've explained in debates before, I consider the gospel itself to be a divine, supernatural, powerful, gracious work of the Holy Spirit that 'assists' or 'enables' man to...

If that were the only reason then EVERYONE would reject Jesus. The difference is whether or not they are chosen and thus the typical application of the passage in question: "many are called few are chosen." You can't avoid it. Just admit that my use of the word 'few' was completely...

Right, which is the same as being unchosen by God, thus 'many are called few are chosen.' You haven't changed anything about the typical Cal application of this text and your disapproval of my use of the word "few."

Obviously. But, I think you know what I meant...."according to your doctrinal views...." I know that is what you believe, that is what I meant by "under your system." Calvinism teaches ALL men are born completely unable to believe the gospel of Christ, but John 12:39-41 and Acts 28:21-28...

1. When did I ever make those ridiculous quotes seem as if they applied to all? That is unfounded. 2. Prove it by actually providing (1) their quote to prove their position and (2) my quote saying they believe otherwise. I simply referred to the tendency of Cals here to falsely label and...

The strongest points of one's argument are not typically reflected in the portion that his opponents address, but in the portions ignored.

But through Christ we are made Holy and blameless in his sight.

I meant a link to those other threads where the non-Cals are saying all these things. I'm not expecting you to carry that argument here (which you have been by referencing their apparent beliefs.) You keep referencing these ridiculous anonymous quotes, then making them appear to represent us...

And why do people reject Jesus under your system? Because they aren't chosen...ie. "few are chosen" At least that is how I've seen it applied by Cals. Is that different from the way you apply it?

I think this is my third time to request for you to provide a link or direct quote of the offenders and I'm still waiting...

I still haven't heard a sufficient answer for this question: If men are all born Totally Depraved in the sense that they cannot willingly believe and repent even if confronted with the clear gospel appeal, then why did Jesus hide the truth from them in parables to prevent the Israelite...

I can't imagine who said, "The Gospel is for those already saved, it is the good news of their Salvation..." but their rebuke is well deserved. Just do me a favor and stop pretending these types of comments represent the majority or even a good number of non-Cals here, because they don't...

glfredrick, Same song second hundredth verse.... Does God will for you to sin? No. Do you sin? Yes. Did your will trump Gods? No. You need to distinguish between God's sovereign unchanging decrees and his permissive desires if you are going to understand our actual points of disagreement in...

If it is God's will that man makes a free choice (meaning being willingly able to accept or reject) then it is NOT US doing the 'elevating.' In fact, it is God's will and plan for salvation. So, accusing us of doing the 'elevating' assumes that our doctrine is false and not 'of God's doing.'...

:rolleyes: God is the primary source/agent of the Arminian salvation process.

Who were those given to Christ? Specifically, the notice the reference to 12 apostles as referenced in John 6 after the rest walk away. These are the ones Christ was given to train as the foundation for the church. The rest of Israel was being judicially hardened (John 12:39), which is the...

I know it will require to do a little work, something you clearly don't want to do much of here, but you will need to show where the contradiction is in my two quotes which you apparently thinks requires a 'backpeddal?' Now, we can watch you backpeddal, or more likely ignore and leave...

I know. That would require you actually engaging in a debate and forming actual arguments that don't resort to fallacies such as the one below from JesusFan... petitio principii