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THAT is the POINT brother!!! They hide the very things they believe!! You haven't been following the debates here then brother. The points raised in the OP sermon come directly from preachers here on the BB. So you are very wrong!! I know tons of preachers who preach the Biblical Doctrines...

Okayyy, you believe the OP is malarkey. And I should respond in what way?? It seems you do a lot of complaining but never point out any part which is wrong and give any reason why. You say your not a Calvinist, but sure do get irritated when the doctrine is challenged.

Most of the Calvinist I have spoken with will say God regenerated them first which at the same time zapped them into being a believer, so by default they seemingly chose Christ. Second, many will say Adam and Eve had a freewill choice, but nobody afterwards, it was lost forever. Of course this...

Brian, don't forget to answer the questions in post #12. Thank You!

To SBM's credit, he does understand the FULL conclusions which one must embrace if one is to embrace TULIP as truth. Everyone who believes in TULIP will declare they believe in TULIP because of Divine Enablement, which God opened their eyes to see it and believe it. When asked, why doesn't God...

Misunderstanding #1, Freewill as used in a biblical debate has it's restrictions found within the parameters which God has set forth that freewill to be exercised therein. God in His Sovereignty, gives freewill to move about and make decisions within parameters which He has set forth. We find...

Of course they are not like my OP sermon. I have heard many Calvinist preachers and they sound just like Arminian preachers. This is the problem, they don't preach the FULL truth of TULIP to the masses, oh they will preach it to their like minded believers. And again, more accusations of...

And yet not one post from a Calvinist in 24 pages which points to a part in the OP sermon which is being dishonest. Not one..........

It was a very good thread. Very revealing, exposing the nitty gritty flaws of Calvinism.

Here is a real controversy found within the Calvinist Camp. Every Calvinist I ever spoke with claims Divine Revelation from God as why they believe what they believe. However, we have some Calvinist claiming TULIP is the Gospel (by Divine Revelation) and some believing TULIP is not the Gospel...

We are at 20 pages now and this thread will soon be closed. It has been very informative in understanding the core beliefs of Calvinism. The OP posed a potential Calvinist sermon and asked if any Calvinist here could find any untruthful points within it. Let it be noted that after 20 pages of...

Ok, let me try to understand your belief here, or the experience you are describing... Was this your "born-again" experience? Or did you have a "stubborn/self-sufficient heart" while having been born-again, yet did not have a belief in TULIP yet? It seems you are connecting the "new...

Double talk. One cannot be responsible for staying in rebellion against God unless they are given freedom to choose differently.

Your objections make no sense. The OP sets up the debate on key Calvinism points. All you have to do is point out which parts are dishonest and explain why they are dishonest (debate)

And non-cals believe the same.... Ahhh, careful with the "We" word there, so far, you are the only one who has chimed in, and many Calvinist here have already declared TULIP is the Gospel. TULIP explains why God has chosen to save??? Tell us, why has God chosen to save you brother, in the...

Always forgiven :wavey: Arminians would not disagree. Are you suggesting that because the covenant was with Israel that God did not allow anyone outside of a Jew partake?

Of course this is true of Calvinism, how about the OP sermon? Is it true also? If not, please point out which part is not and why.

Does anyone else here find it strange that Calvinist spend so much time and effort avoiding the honest conclusions of their own TULIP? If TULIP is the Gospel, the Calvinist have no other choice but to believe those who do not believe it is the Gospel are following a false gospel and thus must...

That's an interesting statement seeing how I used your own words about those who do not believe in TULIP and Willis' words about God hating the lost in my sermon. :laugh: ..."fantasy thoughts". I like it!!

Lol, brother, if you want to be a Calvinist, just stop wrestling with the dark truths that come with Calvinism. The OP is spot on, you struggle with it, seemingly oppose it, then switch to commending it, then back to declaring I have no understanding of Calvinism. You are all over the place. SBM...