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You have to ask yourself the question: Why would someone who believes that God has pre-selected a certain number of people to irresistibly save make this point? The only possible reason is to attempt to reconcile the clear problem their view presents. Think about it, why even make the point...

You mean the individual's RESPONSE-ABILITY, by which men are rewarded or punished? Without this you might as well skip the first step and go straight to making the rocks cry out, because there is really no difference except these 'rocks' have arms and legs. But that doesn't answer the real...

Well put! :applause: If I 'offer' you a super bowl ticket that I have not even purchased, in a language you don't even understand, with the purpose that you would certainly reject it because in reality I have already rejected you, is it really an 'offer' at all? I don't think so.

No, it is not. We do not believe men are left to respond "on his own." God has provided: 1. The inspired scriptures 2. His incarnate Son 3. Chosen and inspired messengers 4. His Bride, the church 5. The Holy Spirit wrought Gospel truth carried by Holy Spirit indwelled messengers. How is...

I'm fine with God's answers, but silly me I insist on allowing those answers to be interpreted and properly understood within their context. You take this phrase to mean "I will have mercy on a select few chosen individuals to the neglect of all others," while I appropriately read all the...

Not to nit-pick, but you mean "Arminian" after Jacobus Arminius. "Armenian" is a person of Armenian descent. I don't know many Baptists, especially those of the SBC, who don't support the concept of eternal security.

Jbh, I don't believe anyone here is denying the possibility or power of God to save all people. We are all speaking of God's will or plan in redemption. He could make the rocks worship him (a plan I believe to be similar to the Calvinistic one), but instead our view is that God has planned to...

No, I'm referring to the well established, orthodox, biblical teaching of God's judicial hardening (also referred to as blinding or being 'cut off'). I can find you many text which indicate the people "grow" or "become" hardened over time. Can you find me just one where it teaches men are born...

1. I said nothing about this board. 2. Yes, there are Calvinistic Moderators and Admins on this board. Yep, but such a statement ignores the problem that Calvinists teach that God is the one who ultimately determines what men want.

I think you avoid asking why because to do so would reveal the weakness of your dogma. Plus, if asking why God does what he does is wrong, then explain these passages where God actually addresses the question of "why?": I guess you think scripture is just trying to "reconcile God's ways with...

:thumbs: Suppose the owner of a message board announced: "Whoever registers will be accepted as a member, so go invite all your friends and family to register today!" Would anyone even suppose that secretly the owner of that board had actually preselect a select few people to...

Plus, I'd like to address the final quote of your article: Can a Calvinist really say this honestly to everyone? Is he really awaiting the non-elect with open arms?

The objection is not against "election" per se, the objection is toward the concept of natural "total inability" to do otherwise. If indeed the sinners rejection was "HIS OWN," and not according to the nature/desire decreed to Him by God from eternity past then their wouldn't be the objection...

Depends on which Calvinist you are talking to. I think John 3:16 debunks some so-called "Calvinists" today who have "out-Calvined John Calvin" and tend toward "hyperism." I think, as Calvin, that John 3:16 teaches, "that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life...

I suspect you wouldn't know the primary concern of a real non-Calvinist, since the only one you've ever engaged is the one you have erected in your own mind. :type:

It is a carnal frame of reference, yes, but not the one you have imposed on the text. It is the carnal view of a rebellious man who has been blinded in his rebellion to accomplish a redemptive purpose.

Actually, if you read the context the person asking that question is the hardened Jew (a rebellious Jew that God held out his hand to all day long. Rm. 10:21), not the non-elect reprobate born in a hopeless condition destined to hell, as you wrongly presume upon the text.

Nothing about this argument even involves God's view or judgement of man. It is an argument about man's view of man and the accusation of Calvinists that OUR VIEW of man is exalting when in reality it is the Calvinistic view that exalts man. I believe God can judge men however he wants to...

And there is the perfect excuse for all those who remain unsaved at judgement. The unsaved could say, "God, you chose to condemn us to a state of unbelief from birth due to a sin committed by someone else and there is nothing we could do about it." What a perfect excuse!