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Depends on how you read the Greek word order, David.

No need - DT has already done this for you. Now please do him the courtesy of answering the question.

Fair question, SBM...

The latter.

Ah, and what does being 'in Christ' entail?

These pub nights typically turn into ad hoc pastoral sessions: we have about half a dozen or so young men in the military in our church (we're close to Portsmouth, which is a big naval city and there are several naval bases within a 10 miles radius plus one or two army places) who get deployed...

Well, quite. Still waiting to hear Naz' account for my continuing existence...

Well, that's a relief. Yes, the libs tend to squeal the loudest. Re Canada, I was just going on my in-laws experience in Vancouver, where they have the misfortune to come under the Diocese of New Westminster.

Sorry to disappoint you, Naz, but I didn't phone the hookers (for either purpose), and I'm still alive, so I'm afraid that's your theology completely blown out of the water.

Well, that's just the North American 'Church'. You should try our gaffe.

Even liberals think that Spong lost the plot a long time ago.

:rolleyes: You understand Sweet Fanny Adams about the Church of England, don't you?

My grip's fine thanks. I don't see how you can be a Nazirite and remain an Anglican, anymore than I can see how the Episcapostate Church can remain Anglican whilst doing what it does.

Some guy called Pete. So, Nazaroo, you're a Nazirite. So all this stuff about you being Anglican is bogus, is it?

If what Naz says is correct, it's weird how so many Christians I know who have backslidden in one form or another are still wandering around living and breathing.

Same here. And? What about Christ? The clue is in the name: Christian.

Isn't my salvation down to Christ, not me?

You still haven't answered my question: will I forfeit my salvation depending on whether I die on one day or another?

What if I fornicate today, repent tomorrow, fall into temptation and fornicate again on Sunday, repent on Monday, fornicate on Tuesday, etc? Does it make a difference to my salvation whether I physically then die on Saturday or Sunday? I need to know this before I start calling the local hookers...

But do they thus forfeit their salvation? Are we talking spiritual death or merely physical death here?