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Alcoholism: an unclean unchristian habit

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Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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Matt Black said:
My grip's fine thanks. I don't see how you can be a Nazirite and remain an Anglican, anymore than I can see how the Episcapostate Church can remain Anglican whilst doing what it does.
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Deluded liberal BS artist is your answer brother. you want to talk murderers, I walked into a popular Episcopal church in Morristown NJ & stayed for bible study. The priest told us that he could see how you could justify abortions......my jaw dropped & I walked out. Then I remembered this is the same church that Bishop John Shelby Spong frequented......figures.
 
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Nazaroo said:
A little science would help you immensely.

Fermentation is the opposite of pasteurization.

Fermentation does not eliminate yeast from grapejuice.

Fermentation is the allowing of yeast to grow unchecked and uncontrolled.

Yeast is a filthy fungus, a living thing, which feeds off foods like the sugars in juices. It grows anaerobically, and produces unclean waste products like any other animal.

Sometimes (for the purpose of producing the maximum amount of alcohol content), the yeast is allowed to grow wild for so long, that it finally dies by suffocating in its own excrement, alcohol. Alcohol is effectively yeast-piss. By the end of this process, all the yeast dies off, but it hasn't gone anywhere. It the carcasses of the yeast sink to the bottom of the wine container, and they are called euphemistically, "sediment".

The alcohol is yeast-urine, and the sediment is dead yeast carcass. Even if you were to strain out most of the dead yeast, you leave behind a liquid which is 5% to 10% yeast-urine.

Imagine if I ran an illegal puppy-mill, and allowed the dogs to multiply like rabbits, until there were so many dogs they started eating each other in the cages, and rolled around dying in their own excrement. Once all the dogs are dead, I now take the cages, and remove most of the dead dog-carcasses, and scoop up all the remaining dogfood.

Now I sell this dogfood to you as hamburger patties, and tell you it is "dog-free" and now perfectly clean and safe to eat.

Of course you'd want to put me in jail once you found out how I manufactured the hamburger patties.

And no priest would knowingly pronounce the hamburger patties "kosher" or "clean" or fit for eating.
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I'm sorry...you claimed to be a chemist?

"All yeast have a point at which the alcohol they produce becomes toxic to them. In other words, they reach a point where they die off of alcohol toxicity. " http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/finishin.asp

Like I said...it is FACT that fermentation and pasteurization are the only two methods of removing yeast from freshly squeezed juice.
 
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WestminsterMan

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Jon-Marc said:
In that case I sinned recently when a neighbor gave me a shot of whiskey. I see no more wrong with an occasional alcoholic drink than I do with anything else we eat or drink.

As for alcohol being food, neither is anything we drink. There is food we eat, and there are liquids we drink. That one drink had no effect whatsoever on me, and in my opinion was no different from drinking anything else--except for the alcohol.

As for being intoxicated, you can become that way from drinking too much water. I worked for 28 years at a VA Medical Center, and we had patients there who would become intoxicated from drinking excessive amounts of water. I had never heard of that before working there, but I definitely got an education there and learned things I hadn't known before.
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Those poor old Catholics sin at every mass when they take communion...

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Nazaroo said:
There's something tragically wrong with your interpretation of the Wedding at Cana.

Do I know? Yes. I studied the passage for about 25 years and wrote a few books on it.

You can read a full statement of my position here:

The Real meaning of the Wedding at Cana
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Naz:

Anyone who drinks wine will tell you that after a few glasses (or when the alchohol starts to kick in) one suffers a diminishment in the ability to tell good wine from the cheap stuff. As scripture tells us, that is precisely what was happening at the wedding celebration at Cana:

"They drew out water from the jars, and saw that it had been turned into wine. The ruler did not know from what place the wine had come, but he said to the young man who had just been married, the bridegroom, 'At a feast everybody gives his best wine at the beginning, and afterward, when his guests have drunk freely, he brings on wine that is not so good; but you have kept the good wine until now.'"

And why pray tell would anyone serve the good stuff up front and leave the cheap stuff until last? Clearly, that was a way to save money. Serve em' a few glasses of the good stuff, and when they're gassed enough, bring out the Boone's Farm!

No need to read Hebrew or Greek to deduce that from scripture - it's just common sense.

Cheers!

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Earth said:
Yes & thats what I think when I hear "Episcopalian"
IE Catholic Like, Gay, ultra liberal & insignificant
. Oh forgot apostate. Sorry if that offends
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EWF:

I think that should be "Catholic Lite". My niece is an Episcopalian and your description seems accurate.

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Then the statement about good and bad wines was in error because everyone was to drunk to know the difference?

Anyway, we don't know anything about the wine they drank except that it was low on alcohol and made from grapes. I think wine tasting has become a sham, like the emperor's new clothes. I like the ten dollar white wine in big white boxes.
 
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billwald said:
Then the statement about good and bad wines was in error because everyone was to drunk to know the difference?
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Not at first - that's the whole point. While they could taste (before the dimishment of that sense) they would have been impressed with the host serving a good wine. Once they lost that ability, however, they would not have known if the wine was good, average, or poor.

billwald said:
Anyway, we don't know anything about the wine they drank except that it was low on alcohol and made from grapes.
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True and that's enough - we know from scripture that the wine contained alchohol, and many got drunk from consuming it. If that weren't the case, then there wouldn't be all those admonitions against getting drunk in scripture!

billwald said:
I think wine tasting has become a sham, like the emperor's new clothes. I like the ten dollar white wine in big white boxes.
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I'm not surprised. :cool:

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Alcoholism is no "habit"; it is a sickness the result of social influence or /and over-indulgence mostly; not of a sober and healthy "habit" to have a glass or two of wine or beer now and then.

Give the failure of a human being the blame because HE earned his sickness and try help him (usually of no avail) pull himself together; don't blame God or what He gives man for the good of him.
 
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Nazaroo

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Gerhard Ebersoehn said:
Alcoholism is no "habit"; it is a sickness the result of social influence or /and over-indulgence mostly; not of a sober and healthy "habit" to have a glass or two of wine or beer now and then.

Give the failure of a human being the blame because HE earned his sickness and try help him (usually of no avail) pull himself together; don't blame God or what He gives man for the good of him.
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Nonetheless, a man's teachers and peers can be held responsible for misleading a person into lifestyles that are simply not sustainable and which are injurious to himself and others.
 
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Well, that's just the North American 'Church'.
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Matt, that should read "American" church. The majority of Anglican Churches in Canada are evangelical. In our diocese, only three priests are liberal and the rest are conservative to evangelical.

The sad part is that the liberals seem to be the ones that get the press.

Cheers,

Jim

PS. I like your church site. Thank you.
 
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Matt Black

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Well, that's a relief. Yes, the libs tend to squeal the loudest. Re Canada, I was just going on my in-laws experience in Vancouver, where they have the misfortune to come under the Diocese of New Westminster.
 
David Lamb

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Nazaroo said:
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I've no wish to derail the thread, but I cannot let Nazaroo's diagram of what it means to be an Anglican pass. It just is not true that anyone who:
is not an atheist
believes in one God
is not a Muslim or a Jew
is not sure whether he or she is a protestant
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must therefore be an Anglican. (But perhaps the definition was posted tongue-in-cheek!)

The implication that to be a protestant, one must "hate catholics" is abhorent.
 
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