Alcoholism: an unclean unchristian habit

You understand Sweet Fanny Adams about the Church of England, don't you?

 

Deluded liberal BS artist is your answer brother. you want to talk murderers, I walked into a popular Episcopal church in Morristown NJ & stayed for bible study. The priest told us that he could see how you could justify abortions......my jaw dropped & I walked out. Then I remembered this is the same church that Bishop John Shelby Spong frequented......figures.

 

Even liberals think that Spong lost the plot a long time ago.

 

I'm sorry...you claimed to be a chemist?

"All yeast have a point at which the alcohol they produce becomes toxic to them. In other words, they reach a point where they die off of alcohol toxicity. " http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/finishin.asp

Like I said...it is FACT that fermentation and pasteurization are the only two methods of removing yeast from freshly squeezed juice.

 

Those poor old Catholics sin at every mass when they take communion...

WM

 

OK Naz... you just lost me with that one.

WM

 

Yes & thats what I think when I hear "Episcopalian"
IE Catholic Like, Gay, ultra liberal & insignificant
. Oh forgot apostate. Sorry if that offends

 

Naz:

Anyone who drinks wine will tell you that after a few glasses (or when the alchohol starts to kick in) one suffers a diminishment in the ability to tell good wine from the cheap stuff. As scripture tells us, that is precisely what was happening at the wedding celebration at Cana:

"They drew out water from the jars, and saw that it had been turned into wine. The ruler did not know from what place the wine had come, but he said to the young man who had just been married, the bridegroom, 'At a feast everybody gives his best wine at the beginning, and afterward, when his guests have drunk freely, he brings on wine that is not so good; but you have kept the good wine until now.'"

And why pray tell would anyone serve the good stuff up front and leave the cheap stuff until last? Clearly, that was a way to save money. Serve em' a few glasses of the good stuff, and when they're gassed enough, bring out the Boone's Farm!

No need to read Hebrew or Greek to deduce that from scripture - it's just common sense.

Cheers!

WM

 

EWF:

I think that should be "Catholic Lite". My niece is an Episcopalian and your description seems accurate.

WM

 

Then the statement about good and bad wines was in error because everyone was to drunk to know the difference?

Anyway, we don't know anything about the wine they drank except that it was low on alcohol and made from grapes. I think wine tasting has become a sham, like the emperor's new clothes. I like the ten dollar white wine in big white boxes.

 

Not at first - that's the whole point. While they could taste (before the dimishment of that sense) they would have been impressed with the host serving a good wine. Once they lost that ability, however, they would not have known if the wine was good, average, or poor.

True and that's enough - we know from scripture that the wine contained alchohol, and many got drunk from consuming it. If that weren't the case, then there wouldn't be all those admonitions against getting drunk in scripture!

I'm not surprised.

WM

 

wine fermented 2000 years ago the same way it does today...to about 12% APV.

 

Really? You are one confusing guy.

You said on 2/27/11 "I walked away from the Anglican Church after 10 years attendance...dozens of us simply had to walk out and never look back."

 

Alcoholism is no "habit"; it is a sickness the result of social influence or /and over-indulgence mostly; not of a sober and healthy "habit" to have a glass or two of wine or beer now and then.

Give the failure of a human being the blame because HE earned his sickness and try help him (usually of no avail) pull himself together; don't blame God or what He gives man for the good of him.

 

Originally Posted by billwald View Post
I think wine tasting has become a sham, like the emperor's new clothes. I like the ten dollar white wine in big white boxes.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: You set yourself up for that one Bill!

 

Well, that's just the North American 'Church'. You should try our gaffe.

 

Well, that's just the North American 'Church'.
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Matt, that should read "American" church. The majority of Anglican Churches in Canada are evangelical. In our diocese, only three priests are liberal and the rest are conservative to evangelical.

The sad part is that the liberals seem to be the ones that get the press.

Cheers,

Jim

PS. I like your church site. Thank you.

 

Well, that's a relief. Yes, the libs tend to squeal the loudest. Re Canada, I was just going on my in-laws experience in Vancouver, where they have the misfortune to come under the Diocese of New Westminster.

 

I've no wish to derail the thread, but I cannot let Nazaroo's diagram of what it means to be an Anglican pass. It just is not true that anyone who:

is not an atheist
believes in one God
is not a Muslim or a Jew
is not sure whether he or she is a protestant
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must therefore be an Anglican. (But perhaps the definition was posted tongue-in-cheek!)

The implication that to be a protestant, one must "hate catholics" is abhorent.