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Alcoholism: an unclean unchristian habit

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Yes, Matt, you just happened to pick the most liberal and outspoken group in the whole of Canada. That is the one group pushing for gay priests, etc., which is causing a possible split amongst Anglicans. The issue has been tabled until the Bishops meet next year (I think).

I know when I came home to England, I used to preach the whole month in Anglican Churches and they were all conservative.

I grew up in the high church, and even though we genuflected in aisle and crossed ourselves, we were evangelical. That is where I came to know Christ as Saviour, during my confirmation classes......So, the CofE can't be all that bad,,,:saint:

Cheers,

Jim
 
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Matt Black said:
Well, that's just the North American 'Church'. You should try our gaffe.
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I dont know Matt.....a Calvinist, Welsh Methodist in an Englishman's Church.....however, I do like this

Thu 28 Men's pub night --- got that off your churchs web site. :smilewinkgrin: could you imagine any of these Baptists trying that :laugh: Not in a million years. :smilewinkgrin:
 
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These pub nights typically turn into ad hoc pastoral sessions: we have about half a dozen or so young men in the military in our church (we're close to Portsmouth, which is a big naval city and there are several naval bases within a 10 miles radius plus one or two army places) who get deployed from time to time in Afghanistan. One of our worship leaders, an older guy, is ex-military and, over a few pints and some potato chips he and others of us listen to their hopes and fears, pray for them and, where appropriate, give advice to them.
 
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Matt Black said:
These pub nights typically turn into ad hoc pastoral sessions: we have about half a dozen or so young men in the military in our church (we're close to Portsmouth, which is a big naval city and there are several naval bases within a 10 miles radius plus one or two army places) who get deployed from time to time in Afghanistan. One of our worship leaders, an older guy, is ex-military and, over a few pints and some potato chips he and others of us listen to their hopes and fears, pray for them and, where appropriate, give advice to them.
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A very civilized way of communicating with the brothers.....over beer & chips! Love it!!!
 
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Why are we told not to look at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup?

It seems to me that our concept of wine is drastically different from the Biblical concept of wine.

I was thinking about the alcohol content of wine in the Bible. Thinking back on Noah, studies I have done in the past led me to believe the most righteous man on earth was taken by surprise by the strength of the wine he took into his body. Why? Here is something that goes along with my line of thinking, taken from this link: http://www.prepare-ye-the-way.com/beginnings1.htm Surely the climate change would have been taken into account after this, leading back to adjusting the way it was made and the water content to take into account the negative impact of the world-wide disaster of the flood and the resulting changes in how people lived, including their diets. This page also seems to support the idea that wine in those day was frowned upon after fermentation and only to be drunk mixed with a high ratio of water: http://www.nelsonprice.com/index.php/?p=355


...There are also giant carvings of animals and figures in the Nazca desert in Peru. They can only be seen from the air and without aircraft would be impossible to construct, unless there was a canopy of water above, then like a giant mirror reflecting their image, the construction crew could see their work progress. Also a worldwide rain for forty days and nights could never produce enough water to flood the whole world. But if the fountains of the deep as well as the windows of heaven opening up, a collapsing canopy, then a worldwide flood of universal proportions could have happened. After the flood, why did Noah, after making his first batch of wine, get drunk, taken by surprise with the alcoholic content of his wine? You see if there were a canopy of water above the earth, wine would ferment much more slowly. Noah was taken by surprise by a quickly fermenting wine and caught off guard.
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You see if there were a canopy of water above the earth, wine would ferment much more slowly. Noah was taken by surprise by a quickly fermenting wine and caught off guard.
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Doesn't anyone actually learn science anymore?

Fermentation progresses based on the number of organisms, and the ratio of those being born to those dying (from alcohol poisoning) in fermenting 'wine'.

In all cases, the amount of alcohol (as a %) is limited by the death of the yeast colony, which is based solely on the critical killing alcohol percentage as an outside case, and/or the food supply (if the sugar level on starting is too low), whichever happens sooner.

Under normal circumstances, the starting amount of sugar is fixed, the size of the seeding-colony is fixed and the potential strength is fixed too.

Sunshine, humidity, even temperature would not significantly effect the outcome, since transparent glass containers weren't in regular use before the Egyptians discovered glass.

Please think with your God-given brains.
 
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Nazaroo said:
Doesn't anyone actually learn science anymore?

Fermentation progresses based on the number of organisms, and the ratio of those being born to those dying (from alcohol poisoning) in fermenting 'wine'.

In all cases, the amount of alcohol (as a %) is limited by the death of the yeast colony, which is based solely on the critical killing alcohol percentage as an outside case, and/or the food supply (if the sugar level on starting is too low), whichever happens sooner.

Under normal circumstances, the starting amount of sugar is fixed, the size of the seeding-colony is fixed and the potential strength is fixed too.

Sunshine, humidity, even temperature would not significantly effect the outcome, since transparent glass containers weren't in regular use before the Egyptians discovered glass.

Please think with your God-given brains.
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"Under normal circumstances."

These were not normal circumstances. The amount of oxygen would have changed in purity and amount with a global flood and the disasters it caused. Heat, oxygen and elevation certainly do play a role in fermentation. Do you honestly believe that the atmospheric changes wouldn't affect biological processes simply because "transparent glass containers weren't in regular use"?

That's simply not logical.

Even small changes affect how yeast works. The flood was a (extremely scientific adjective warning) GINORMOUS change.

I bake. A lot. When I move I have to adjust yeast containing recipes to altitude and temps. When I proof yeast, surroundings temperatures definitely play a role in time despite using the same equipment. Humidity always is taken into account when baking. Elevation always must be taken into account.

Your statements don't appear to acknowledge even the basics of science and how it works. Where did gain your knowledge to write books on the matter? What are some of these books? I'd like to glance through them.

And...I do find it odd that what I said has the strong potential of backing up your beliefs even more than mine, yet you didn't take the time to see it. Are you LOOKING for an argument? If so, why? You disagree with people who disagree with you. You disagree with people who agree with you.

Something ain't right...
 
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Naturally fermented wine has maximum alcohol content of ca 14%. Why no higher? cuz the yeast pickle themselves. Why is the alcohol content of wine higher than beer? (a) more tolerant yeast; and (b) beer yeast has less sugar to start with therefore makes less alcohol.

What about fortified wines like sherry and port that have higher alcohol contents (15 - 21%)? These have brandy added to them. This practice presumably arose from the need to insure wine preservation by increasing the alcohol content.
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http://employees.csbsju.edu/SSAUPE/biol106/lectures/fermentation.htm
 
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jaigner

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Why do we even entertain this subject? The entire premise it ridiculous. Don't think you should drink? Don't do it. And shut your mouth.
 
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