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I'd like to add to that list: - God has sent man an appeal to be reconciled to Him. - God has sent his Bride, the church, to proclaim that appeal to every creature. - God sent apostles. - God inspired, preserved and dispersed the scriptures - God indwells his messengers and compels them...

I'm not asking you to explain it again. Believe it or not, I understand what you are arguing. I just disagree with it as do Arminians, which is why I know Edwards disagrees with it too. On one hand you say you are in agreement with Compatabalism and on the other you say you are in agreement...

Yes, but regarding the origin of evil and God's divine decrees Edwards (by his own testimony) was in agreement with the Arminians. As Ben quoted from the other thread, there must be clarity in regard to how one defines God's decrees. Luke has a tendency to switch terms as he goes. For weeks...

Aww man! I was just about to go to bed and now you gone and made me hungry!!! I'm trying to diet!!! :mad:

"For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all." Because she was chosen for that noble purpose. Because they were chosen for that noble purpose. Because he was chosen for that noble purpose. This non-Calvinist wants to know the intent of the biblical...

I'd like to add another much more clear option: "God has established a world in which sin will indeed necessarily come to pass by God's permission, but not by his 'positive agency.'" - Jonathan Edwards

If darkness is to evil what light is to good, then what does that say of the creature exposed to both darkness and light/ good and evil? If the creature is made like H20 then he would have no choice but to freeze when the heat dropped to 32 degrees, likewise if the creature is exposed to a drop...

You believe God does the deed (that would be called "evil" if anyone else did it), but because he does it with a good motive, it is not evil. Whereas, Calvinists typically argue that God permits moral evil and uses it for his purposes, but does not cause or author it. You have also appealed...

What does this even mean, Luke? In one post you call me intelligent and say at least I have a real theology and that you respect that etc etc...then you resort to statements like this rather than just dealing with the substance of the debate. How many times and in how many different ways must...

I just came across this in search of something else. Thank you for your encouraging words. That is very nice! :wavey:

I thought JesusFan was asking about what most Baptists believe about the Calvinistic view of election. Sometimes it's difficult to understand his questions because he rarely uses pronouns. And I have no problem with election. It is a great biblical doctrine when correctly understood within...

Great, so God didn't originate evil, Satan did. So, if the evil intent originated in Satan then that intent had to become known to God, right? If not, explain. Are you saying Satan's intent to become God didn't really exist? Explain? If it didn't exist then nothing caused Satan to rebel...

Prove it....

Enough said. You clearly have no desire to engage in a respectful and scholarly discussion about the various views that are even debated within your own ranks. I don't have time or the desire to listen to full sermons in order to pick out various quotes that may or may not support all the...

God's absence might explain why evil was able to originate, but it doesn't explain what originated evil. You must agree that the creature originated the evil intent once God permitted it by removing himself, right?

Yet the title utilized the term "want" which carries a very clear connotation regarding what one "desires" or "takes pleasure in." I'm not saying it can't be taken any other way, I'm only pointing to the confusion of not drawing a clear distinction in what Piper calls "the two wills of God."...

Here is a post where I thoroughly addressed what I feel are the major problems with the Compatibilistic framework. It was posted in 2007 and I have had countless conversations both before and after this one thoroughly addressing, and correctly representing Compatiblism. Once again you...

Luke, I honestly think you are talking about two different things. Please allow me to explain: They hear you saying "God always gets what he wants or desires." (as that was the title of your thread), but clearly there are some things which happen that God doesn't desire or take pleasure in...

Can you clearly explain the distinction between (1) God not bringing evil to pass by his positive agency and (2) God planning and purposing that evil should exist. I'm just trying to understand your distinction between these two concepts to see if we can find some common ground. Thank you.

I think most would affirm the concept of "once saved, always saved," but in a survey that asked, "Do you believe God preselected a certain number of individuals to be saved by irresistible/effectual means, leaving the rest in their fallen condition without hope of salvation?"...most would say 'no.'