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Ok, but you don't believe that decree (determination) is WHY sin would happen, do you? Let me approach it this way. Of the two types of decrees defined in the OP, would you agree that sin falls under God's permissive decree? If so, why not just use that terminology and avoid the...

Ok, follow up question. Is Peter's lack of trust a result of God's failure to provide Peter with that ability, or did God provide what was needed and Peter freely chose to "not trust" as he should?

Here is a good example of the need for clarity. When you say things like sin is predestined by God you SEEM to be saying that God has "Decretively Decreed" sin, because the term "predestined" in the Calvinistic system is typically used to connote the idea of God's active and direct involvement...

Hey guys, this is going down hill fast. Please allow me to intervene and get us back on track, if possible. I think JBH probably meant to communicate that Winman's views projected God to be weaker than what his views project about God. Though he may need to communicate that in a less...

I, as a non-Calvinist, affirm that God has permissively decreed the origin of evil. By this I mean, as Edwards states, that "God has established a world in which sin will indeed necessarily come to pass by God's permission, but not by his 'positive agency.'" This means there are two separate...

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No, not all of them, but its a clearly recognized trend among enough for many to notice it. As quoted before, Piper even recognizes this tendency when he said... In never said that. In fact, I KNOW that I've conveyed all those sinful characteristics myself and am trying to allow Christ to...

It appears to me that you guys are making a mountain out of mole hill to avoid discussing the content presented. I think its clear that mandym wasn't intending to mislead, and now you all know it was a quoted OP, so move on. I also think its interesting that some of you are offended by what...

Oh, good, you agree with Edwards when he says, "God has established a world in which sin will indeed necessarily come to pass by God's permission, but not by his 'positive agency." So it should be easy for you to list something that fit under this description. Luke, please tell us something...

Whether you realize it or not you have just accused me of lying and intentionally deceiving my fellow believers. What I have consistently believed and taught regarding the origin and existence of evil is not only supported by the Arminian divines, but by Edwards himself. It is what I REALLY...

No, I read it right the first time, and I agree. "MOST" things are black and white, but "SOMETIMES" circumstances need to be taken into consideration before blanket rules are blindly applied. We seemed to agree on that point. :thumbsup:

Well stated Winman! :thumbs:

I agree, but what would you say to those who consider man's faith empowered alone by Christ and nothing of themselves? What is the distinction in a purely monergistic system between Peter's faith and divine power?

I agree. And the fact that you started your 1st sentence with the word "sometimes," and your second sentence with the word "most," validates the point I was attempting to make. Thank you. :thumbs:

I agree. Every circumstance is unique and some people don't seem to understand that. I do wonder what Paul's specific advice would have been to a wife of one of the Corinthian brethren who were "living carnally" by sleeping around, or one of the Galatians who were living under the law by...

As a father of 4 who also homeschool please allow me to warn you of what I consider to be a significant threat to you and your children's spiritual growth and development. While the principle of modesty is important, I feel that this question is a reflection of the dangerous influence of...

Luke, since we are discussing virtually the same topic on the Tozer thread I'll just leave you to your undefined and ambiguous terms on this thread. And I'll leave you with this "off topic" quote from Edwards: "God has established a world in which sin will indeed necessarily come to pass by...

Allow me to quote again from the article that we discussed earlier: "Unbelief is atoned for, but only “in Christ”. When we are placed in union with Christ by the Holy Spirit, through faith, our former “unbelief” is atoned for just as our other sins are atoned for. If we continue in unbelief...

If you word it that way, no. If you word it in the clear and concise way that I have, maybe. Why don't we ask them: Would all you NON-CALVINISTS agree that God permits men to remain in unbelief and go to hell for a purpose, but doesn't take any pleasure in the perishing of the wicked? I...

Because they aren't suffering for the sins (breaking of the law). They are suffering for their rejection of the truth (unbelief.) John 3:18 says "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only...