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  1. Skandelon

    Who are the Arminians?

    1. I generally accept this "label" as simply in reference to rejecting the premise of Calvinism which teaches that God has pre-selected a certain number of people who He will irresistibly save while leaving the rest in their hopeless condition. 2. Though I'll concede that 'Arminianism'...
  2. Skandelon

    Tozer- Calvinism tends to be more stable than Arminianism

    Did you read my post, Luke? I quote, "I will affirm that atonement is provisional “in Christ”. In other words, Christ’s death made provision for all sin, yet only those who come to be in union with Christ partake of that provision. I believe this view is supported by numerous Scriptures."...
  3. Skandelon

    Does God always get what he ultimately wants?

    Same answer as above. Yes, He permitted that they not believe, but that was not His pleasure. In other words, he desires for them to come to faith, but permits them to resist and disobey. When you use the word "purpose" or "will" regarding God you must distinguish between his permissive will...
  4. Skandelon

    Does God always get what he ultimately wants?

    We agree, we just don't think its done "irresistibly." But even if it is accomplished irresistibly it still involves the compatiblistic response of a regenerated man, which is synergism with regard to salvation. Its the act of regeneration that compatibilists refer to monergistic. Understood...
  5. Skandelon

    Does God always get what he ultimately wants?

    I believe any objective reader would acknowledge the fact that I am more than fair and patient with you and your lack of clarity regarding the subject matter at hand. Actually, it clarifies it, while your choice of verbiage continues to be ambiguous and unclear. Actually, my statement is much...
  6. Skandelon

    Does God always get what he ultimately wants?

    Just for clarity Luke, I think you mean, "Is regeneration all of God (monergistic)..." because as JesusFan pointed out, even Calvinistis affirm the cooperative effort of man AFTER the man has been regenerated. So, salvation is synergistic for both of us, its the work of regeneration that is...
  7. Skandelon

    Tozer- Calvinism tends to be more stable than Arminianism

    Actually, I'll quote you from a previous post what I "know." "Isaiah 53:4-5, "Surely our griefs He Himself bore, and our sorrows He carried; yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions. He was crushed for our...
  8. Skandelon

    Does God always get what he ultimately wants?

    Please refrain from personally demeaning comments. It is not necessary in a conversation with a fellow brother to call him a coward and a liar. I never said it was. I merely explained that the phraseology you chose can be taken to mean many different things, while my phraseology leaves no room...
  9. Skandelon

    Does God always get what he ultimately wants?

    And I've answered this explanation by asking you how it is that something (the evil intent of a creature) comes from nothing? Saying that evil comes from the absence of good is like saying something is formed from nothing, and we both know only one person has the ability to create something...
  10. Skandelon

    Does God always get what he ultimately wants?

    But the difference is that I would never word it in such a vague manner so as for it to be wrongly interpreted. I would say God permits men to go to hell, but doesn't take pleasure in it. That is a clear and easy to understand statement which doesn't leave room for ambiguity. Your...
  11. Skandelon

    Does God always get what he ultimately wants?

    You need to be more specific. What specifically did I write that was misrepresentative and why?
  12. Skandelon

    IF You Hold Gospel is To ALL men: Interprete John 8:42-47!

    Don't all men start out life as "children of the devil" and then some become children of God? I ask because this argument seems to be predicated on the assumption that some are born children of the devil while others are born children of God. Am I just misunderstanding your point?
  13. Skandelon

    Does God always get what he ultimately wants?

    Your guess is as good as mine. He quotes men like Edwards who believe what you just described, but then he makes comments which seem to contradict that view. I've yet to see Luke show any real distinction between what God actively decrees and what he only permissively allows. Luke has been...
  14. Skandelon

    Ephesians 2:8-9

    God has called many who do not come. ("Many are called, few are chosen.") He hold out his hands to obstantant men, in patience: "But concerning Israel he says, 'All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.'" - Rom 10:21 He longs to gather them: "O...
  15. Skandelon

    Does God always get what he ultimately wants?

    Luke, I agree with E,W & F. You really need to explain your view of God's permissive will. You have equated God's permission of an event with his "bringing it to pass." This APPEARS to communicate that God's permissive will is equal to his active immediate agency. As stated over and...
  16. Skandelon

    Ephesians 2:8-9

    You are right, in John 10 he hadn't sent the gospel into the world in order to draw all men to himself. He was hiding the truth in parables as Israel was being hardened. The gospel wasn't taken to the Gentiles until much later (they are the "other flock" which must be "brought in.") The...
  17. Skandelon

    Ephesians 2:8-9

    Right, I understand. So, what is to prevent a person who has mentally agreed with these facts from repenting and believing in Him as Lord and Savior? From scripture...
  18. Skandelon

    Bush Raised Debt Ceiling Five Times

    No, it's bad when they both do it and its bad when they both over spend. Have you not heard the anger toward the Republicans for over spending in the Bush era? That is the message of the Tea-Party and many of those who are now in office. STOP OVER SPENDING!!! Rep and Dems need to stop...
  19. Skandelon

    Ephesians 2:8-9

    Can you show me the chapter and verse which explains the distinction between faith in one historical figure and the claims he makes about himself and the faith in the historical figure named Jesus and his claims about himself? (again, remember, I'm not attempted to fully equate the two as...
  20. Skandelon

    Ephesians 2:8-9

    Allow me to ask you a question to help you see this from my perspective, ok? Did God give you the faith to believe that George Washington was our first president? P.S. Please don't take this question as my desire to fully equate saving faith with the belief in other historical facts...
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