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Aaron, your opinions thus far expressed are odious and despicable. Did you not read Annsni's post at the top of the previous page? There are any number of reasons other than bad behaviour and lack of discipline as to why 2-year olds play up, many of which she has highlighted but the most obvious...

Indeed; same with retired clergy here - once they hit 65 and are thus no longer the incumbent officially, the congo tends to treat them differently. They'll be wheeled out from time to time to preach a sermon or preside at communion but usually only because the present incumbent is on vacation...

CofE clergy have to retire from stipendiary (ie paid) employment at 65; when they do so, they lose their 'house-for-duty'; of course they remain ordained and able to pastor and otherwise minister until they die.

Judith Herrin's new history of Byzantium. It's riding on the back of John Julius Norwich's history of the Mediterranean, The Middle Sea.

It's a double-edged sword. Since property (even with the recent housing crash) is generally the best way to gain capital appreciation, this leaves clergy in a rather exposed state when it comes to their retirement funds: they retire at 65 to suddenly find the nice big house they had is no longer...

Doesn't look good, does it? Bit of shameful episode in British-US relations that will take a while to put behind us. But the release decision was actually taken by Wee Kenny MacAskill of the Scottish Executive, and Brown and the British government didn't have any direct control over it (it's...

Our CofE clergy get paid a stipend of £20k ($32k); mind you, they do get free accommodation.

A big Amen! to all the posts thus far.

No you haven't - and your posting style continues to suggest that you don't have an argument to advance.

Quit with the ad hominems if you want people to take you seriously. And please provide an answer to my last question while you're at it - if you have one.

Ah! The land of denim!

The Soviet Union was a kingdom, then? News to me...

No, this is apples and apples: the pacifist is forced to part with his money by the government to pay for a cause to which he strenuously objects; so are you. Why is your opinion more important than his? You support the government in their denial of his conscience; why therefore should others...

Well, now that you've accepted the principle of taxation ie: forcibly removing some of an individual's wealth and income to pay for, in some cases, things which s/he believes strongly to be undeserving causes, on what basis do you say that your opinion as to what constitutes an 'undeserving...

Would you support the government taking a pacifist's income forcibly from him to pay for national defence?

You assume that 'don't'='won't'; what about 'don't'='can't'? What then - just stuff 'em? Doesn't sound very Christian to me... [ETA - interesting that Tom and Tim's results demonstrate that you can be right-wing and authoritarian. Ho hum...]

Couldn't the mod just move the thread from one forum to the other? That's been done from time to time eg: 'News' to 'Politics'. That would avoid the problem of duplicate posting.

Apples and oranges, my friend...

Au contraire: what we are now experiencing is, in some ways, the pinnacle of untrammelled free-market capitalism - where the free market acquires such power that it controls the government and forces it to do its bidding; thus government becomes 'involved' as you put it but at the behest of the...

Commies!:tongue3: