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I still can't access any of these links to read your assertions, so I'm unable to verify their accuracy.

And you're missing the cardinal point here, bigtime: you have failed to demonstrate the accuracy of your thesis, failed to adduce any proper ie: primary source evidence for your theory; indeed you dismiss primary sources as unimportant when they are presented to you. Just because people like...

Why? How? Are you saying I'm not telling the truth?

No, it's a 1.9L Citroen Xsara Picasso with a turbo diesel engine.

Unsafe? How? My car isn't. Yes and no, there is the principle of co-belligerence eg: what you're suggesting is tantamount to saying that because evangelicals differ with Roman Catholics over soteriology, we should fight against them on abortion. The UK evangelical movement is pretty firmly...

And yet my car doesn't run on batteries at all but averages 50mpg even on largely urban use.

I can't open either of your links to be able to read any text, so I'm at present unable to verify your claim. What I'm after from you (or indeed anyone) is a working link that leads to a primary source text, the authenticity of which is independently verifiable. And I should have said that a...

It depends how the electricity to charge them is generated, doesn't it?

What are you guys making the fuss for? It seems an eminently sensible - and Christian - thing to do to reduce carbon emissions and pollution in this way. We're doing our bit as stewards of God's creation over here - my family car does about 50mpg so I think 35.5 is a very modest target; a good...

I'm afraid you haven't authenticated Hosius' words. The way to do that would be to provide a hyperlink to the direct primary source documents, not a seoncdary alleged quote from 1565 (you haven't even given us a link to that). You will struggle to provide such a link to Apud Opera, simply...

I graduated a large number of years ago myself, but that's no excuse for sloppy research. I've done the leg work; you've failed to do yours.

Then you have missed the point big time: the whole point of primary source documents is that, by their very nature, they have greater credence than later or secondary source documents which inevitably, even with the best of intentions, reflect the prejudices of the authors or redactors. All you...

DHK, which contemporary primary source documents have you brought to the table of this discussion? Persona non grata's post on the first page of the thread to which you linked above is the most historically accurate I've seen so far in this discussion.

Sorry, but your argument there won't wash. It is (a)based on silence ie: the absence of any records to substantiate your claim (b) based on your own particular interpretation of the Bible ie: you have failed to adduce any further evidence outside of that particular closed circle and (c)...

Agreed on all points; that's kind of what I was trying to say a few pages back when I referred to Catholics and Orthodox who truly are devoted to the Lord not being condemned by Him just because aspects of their theology are incorrect

Then if not the Orthodox or Catholics, who else (at least for the first millenium)? They were the only show in town (please, please, no Trail of Blood fiction here!). Thanks for that - very interesting article but one that doesn't specifically answer my specific question: how, according to...

Or, rather, it is what the Church has practised and believed from the beginning, and therefore I would question whether it is heresy.[/SIZE][/FONT] I wouldn't call it 'convenience', rather a loyalty to the Truth which has been proclaimed from the time of the Apostles onwards See above; for...

<Sigh> And so round we go again full circle to: show me the evidence, then that the Trail of Blood or some similar theory is true; show me that there were these groups of Christians, other than gnostic or Manichee heretics...

Or that Christianity has always been around and the Catholics and Orthodox have it more right than you'd ever care to admit

According to Orthodox soteriology, how does one appropriate justification ie: how does one have applied to oneself what Christ has achieved?