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Almost right; transubstantiation owes as much to Aristotelean philosophy as it does to Scripture. The likes of Augustine may have been influenced by Platonic (and other kinds of) dualism; by Aquinas' time, Aristotle was the 'must have' Greek philisopher du jour

I'm not sure though that what Ignatius is describing there amounts to full-blown transubstantiation as the RCC understands that today. Real Presence, yes, transubstantiation, not sure. But the Orthodox Church(es) don't believe in it, which would suggest that it wasn't universally held as any...

Interesting that these all occurred after 1054...go figure...

Another one for 1054.

I'll get me coat...

We were told on the news this morning that he touched a lot of people...yeah, well therein lies the problem... The latest is that his body is to be recycled into shopping bags so that he can stay white, plastic and dangerous for children to play with.

I voted for "if the life of the mother was in danger". The question was "is it acceptable" which is not the same as "is it desirable?" I would also qualify my vote in the same way as some others have here by saying that the danger to the mother's life was real and serious and that abortion was...

3 more ministerial resignations in the last half hour: Caroline Flint (Europe Minister), Tony McNulty (Employment Minister) and Paul Byrne (Welsh Secretary), all whilst Brown is giving a news conference - his authority is haemorrhaging away as he speaks....

Breaking news: two more rats desert sinking ship. John Hutton's gone and now so has Geoff 'Buff' Hoon.

There are two discrete but connected pathologies here. The first is the scandal over MPs expenses eg: Jacqui Smith q.v., which affects all parties not just Labour and has forced over a dozen (out of 648) MPs to announce that they will be quitting and many more to do so on a more voluntary...

Another cabinet member quits; Brown's reshuffling his cabinet this morning in a desperate attempt to hang onto power, the odious Johnson being made Home Secretary

I think that there are quite a few unresolved problems with this thread, chief of which is that we're unable to agree on the definitions of 'liberal' and 'conservative'. The definitions will vary according to cultural and theological contexts, eg: the definitions in the US will differ from those...

Hmmm....I won't miss him; Air Miles Mick was a very bad Speaker who was blatantly partisan ( the Commons Speaker is meant to be utterly impartial and above party politics), as well as being corrupt. Possibly, although I'm not sure that that would be a bad thing necessarily. What I'm more...

Already announced her resignation

PS If Brown does go, please pray that we don't get this man - a horrible militant secularist - as PM.

...it looks like we may soon have a new Prime Minister, one way or another. The latest: 1. Four members of Gordon Brown's cabinet have resigned this week 2. We vote today in European and local council elections (our equivalent I suppose of Congressional mid-terms) in which it is almost...

Only according to your version of church history. I note for example that tellingly you've failed to address Ignatius' reference to 'the Catholic Church'. See above Right. :rolleyes: No. I believe that there were 'Bible-believing' congregations; I just disagree with your definition of that...

It's not quite as polarised as that; not quite as 'either/or' as you would perhaps like it to be. Problems like the Inquisition only really started after the Great Schism of 1054. See below for more detail. It didn't destroy the Bible; I do accept it restricted access to it, but I would...

Were you to be correct, you would have to demonstrate a clear discontinuity between the first century meaning of 'episkopos' and its present meaning. Ask any Orthodox Christian and s/he will assure you there is no such discontinuity. A cursory glance at church history would confirm that. I'm...

Exactly. ToB, Landmarkism and Successionism are basically ahistorical revisionism. The line of argument is as follows:(1) Catholicism and Orthodoxy are not and cannot possibly ever have been Christian, therefore (2)there must have been some kind of shadow 'True Church' that existed in...