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Thanks; that is my view also

Thanks...I think! Also agree with BigBossman - lawyers wouldn't bring frivolous suits if they didn't stand a chance of success thanks to courts making frivolous decisions...

I'm more than happy to be disabused of that notion but that is what seems to be implied here: that it's all very well having faith in Jesus Christ and His saving work on the Cross etc but that you also, to an extent at least, must adhere to the correct doctrine (although how one gets to...

Cutting to the chase re the OP: if someone truly loves and is devoted to the Lord Jesus Christ, as I know many Catholics are (including my relatives), I fail to see how that same Lord Jesus could consign them to the fires of Hell. Imagine the scene: Catholic arrives before the Throne of Grace -...

Oh, come on! You don't get out of it that easily. I take it therefore that you don't have a problem with this group displaying the gnostic tendencies clearly expressed in this document?

A horrible remark, indeed (and I'm no Limbaugh fan).

Yes, but they are not the subject matter of this thread, are they?

The Geneva Conventions are a good starting point for a definition. As Timsings has stated, that's all fine and dandy as long as 'the enemy' is someone else, The Other. Who 'the enemy' is doesn't really matter to us as long as it's not "People Like Us"(PLU) . But the moment the government...

Well, the God of the OT authored Creation and created Adam and Eve, yes? Well, the Interragatio states that Satan did that:

But that's exactly what the Trail of Blood does, and why it is such unmitigated nonsense.

What does that have to do with the Interragatio? Depends what the allegory said; this one is clearly putting forth ideas which are not just extra-Scriptural but anti-Scriptural. In any event, it puts paid to any suggestion that this group were in any way sola Scriptura. Really? How do you...

I do not see how one can be a Christian and possibly condone torture. The two quite simply do not go together and I applaud Dr Land for his comments.

I'm a lawyer. Thanks:rolleyes:

My point is this: re-read the Interragatio Iohannis part of the Rituel. There you will see the following: 1. A lot of extra-Scriptural mythologising eg: [/FONT] 2. Satan is portrayed as the author of creation, not God : [/FONT] 3. Dualism: flesh is 'evil', spirit is 'good' [/FONT] 4...

I dont get it, DHK: first, you reject primary sources because the ones shown to you are Catholic. Now you're not even bothering to look at a Cathar primary source properly, speculating that it might be translated by a Catholic (would it help if I got you a link to the original MS so you could...

Really? Dispensationalism was practically invented by Darby and is a novel and heterodox doctrine, repugnant to both Scripture and Tradition. Therefore to refer to it and other Darbyite innovations such as pre-millenialism* as 'Darbyism' seems meet and proper. *I accept that there were others...

Sound advice!

How's that for irony?

It's a Cathar document, which is why it isn't Catholic. You asked for a non-Catholic source, well here it is - a genuine, real-life Cathar primary source document, not tainted or corrupted by the RCC. So, what do you think of it?

I notice DHK still hasn't given us his ruling on the Ritual Cathari de Lyon...