2ed of 2 Thess. 2:1-4, the Rapture

As nice as that must be for SDAS - I still don't see how this helps your case in Matt 24.

And they don't make the error of the Catholics of worshipping Idols or praying to the dead...

And they don't make the error of limited atonement or of Calvinism.

"I know I know" all this is good for SDAs.

But still how is this helping the subject of the rapture move forward?

 

This is not correct.

As pointed out - Daniel 9 shows that at the end of the 69th week (the start of the 70th) is the START of the annointed one's ministry - the Messiah comes - His ministry STARTS just when the prophecy predicts.

With the annointing of Christ by the Holy Spirit at His baptism. Messiah means "annointed one".

He has to die "in the midst of the week" which is not a precise middle. Though it is easly shown that the ministry of Christ begins on the Day of Atonement and that this is 6 months away from Passover.

to ignore all of the Messianic events listed in Daniel 9 so that you have NONE OF THEM in the prophecy "(as you do)" takes dedication.

In Christ,

Bob

 

BOB

Da 9:15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand,

Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

THY PEOPLE clearly is "JEWS".

So, the 70 weeks were determined on "JEWS", but the Jews rejected Jesus, they were then "blinded", an the gospel given to the Gentiles.

But my point is this, the church had no part in the first 69 weeks, and neither does it have a part in the 70th week.

The "Law and prophet" system of leadership stopped with JOHN/JESUS,

This means the 3 1/2 years Jesus preached, "ISRAEL" had no part in the church, so if the 70 weeks were for "THY PEOPLE", the period Jesus preached (3 1/2 years) "CAN NOT" be counted as any part of the 70 weeks.

Therefore we have a "ONE WEEK left.

 

Again your logic is flawed.

1. The fact that the 490 year timeline is given by the Angel of Daniel 9 as "an explanation" of the Vision in chapter 8 is beyond dispute. It is given IN the text!

2. The idea that the 490 year timeline ends with the second coming OR that the 2300 days point to the second coming INSTEAD of the time for the cleansing of the sanctuary -- is also just a false assumption.

Nothing in the 2300 year timeline includes the 2nd coming and nothing in the 490 year timeline includes the 2nd coming.

 

Again - this is simply lack of attention to detail -- only this time in Dan 8.

The vision of the 2300 days STARTS in vs 4 with the Persian empire during the time of its dominance. It continues on through the rise and fall of Greece according to the text.

Then the question about "the vision" is "HOW LONG is the VISION" and the answer is that the VISION ITSELF covers a time of 2300 years.

The 490 years of Daniel ALSO goes back to the SAME point in time -- during the dominance of the Persian empire.

In Christ,

Bob

 

The Jewish calender is off by about 240 years, (best I remember) A book was published (which I didn't read) not long ago that explained where the time was lost, in addition to that, a time line was published by another which showed every king and event in Jewish history, while it didn't address the lost years, it did confirm the error in the Jewish calendar.

IF I can remember where I saw the timeline, I'll get a copy of it.

If the "GENERATION" of "HER BRANCH" passes, scripture "FAILS", That's the "Bottom line".

Mt 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Mt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mt 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, (God) which made a marriage for his son, (His Branch/Jesus)

3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. (JEWS)

Mt 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. (Jerusalem, 70AD)

Ps 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; (70)

"EXACTLY" as prophesied.


Mr 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

Mr 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Lu 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; (HIS/HER)

30 When they (both trees) now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

That's "THREE WITNESS" to the "END OF TIME", Matthew, Mark, Luke.

 

Again - this is simply lack of attention to detail -- only this time in Dan 8.

The vision of the 2300 days STARTS in vs 4 with the Persian empire during the time of its dominance. It continues on through the rise and fall of Greece according to the text.

Then the question about "the vision" is "HOW LONG is the VISION" and the answer is that the VISION ITSELF covers a time of 2300 years.

The 490 years of Daniel ALSO goes back to the SAME point in time -- during the dominance of the Persian empire.

In Christ,

Bob </font>[/QUOTE]Wasn't this the same means by which Jesus's return was calculated, which failed???

 

"Past date"?? reminds me of 2Th 2:2, they were worried the rapture had already occurred and they were "left behind", but some claim the scripture is referring to the "END OF THE WORLD", so how could you be "left behind" at the "End of the world"???

Jesus only said we couldn't know the "DAY AND HOUR", not the "week", "Month" or "Year", and when ya read the rituals associated with the rapture corresponding feast, the JEWS don't know the "DAY AND HOUR" the "NEW MOON" appears.

So Jesus's reference appears to be a "VEILED" reference as to when it "Would occur".

The first five events occurred on the "EXACT DATES" given for their corresponding Feast, there's "NO REASON" not to believe it won't continue.

There's one thing for "SURE", we don't have long to wait for the "TRUTH" to be manifested.

From the First Adam until "Abraham" father of the nation of Israel was 1948 years,

From the "SECOND ADAM" (Jesus) until Israel's restoration was also 1948 years, I'd say our calendar is exact, to the year.

I seen many try to make the "Jubillee" fit into prophecy and the 2 thousand years since Jesus, but none seen to work out with scripture.

This is the Church time period, God isn't dealing with Israel, what applies to Israel is on "HOLD" until God starts dealing with them again during the trib.

 

Actually, My "leap" isn't very big at all, five out of eight is a pattern you "BET ON" in any "Guessing Game".

And it's very obvious, events are following the feast day pattern/rituals.

 

That would be true for mid-trib and post-trib as well.

Nothing new there.

2 Thess 2 "THAT day WILL NOT come unless the falling away come FIRST".

There ARE events predicted in the NT to preceed the return (coming again) of Christ - where He "appears". (These are the only terms used in scripture). The saints were eagerly "awaiting His return" in the NT.

See Rev 16 as it preceeds Rev 19.

In Christ,

Bob

 

No. The way the Millerites determined the coming of Christ was to take the popular and erroneous view that the term "Cleansing of the sanctuary" in Dan 8 had nothing to do with the REAL (and ONLY) sanctuary in operation post cross and also to swallow the popular notion that in Daniel 7 the coming of the Son of Man TO THE courtoom of the Ancient of Days was to be ignored and to be reworked into "The Coming of the Son of Man to Earth".

By accepting those two popular myths - they came to the wrong conclusion.

HOWEVER IF you spin that around to ACCEPT the myths but IGNORE the Bible (so you can reject their conclusion) then not only do you suffer error in that case - but also you would be adopting a model that would charge error to the Disciples for foolishly "Believing" Zech 9 as it points to the first coming of the Messiah and His triumphal entry!!

It is better to not use such methods.

The Disciples had accepted the popular legend that when the Messiah came in the Zech 9 model on the donkey - he was NOT coming to save the world from sin - but rather to save the Jews from the Romans!

The correction is to toss out the urban legend they had swallowed NOT to reject the text of scripture!

In Christ,

Bob