65% of white democrats don't believe in all knowing all powerful all loving God

[1689Dave]

It’s your basic tripe. Telling people they need a savior from their own sin is a divisive message.

On the other hand, nice messages get people in the pews. And keep them there.

The problem is, we drive away those who need to hear the gospel, replacing it with politics, and preaching to the choir instead.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

We preach to the members of the church. You got it wrong. People don’t come to church to get saved (though it does happen). People go to church because they ARE saved.

Should we preach against sin ?

Yes or no answer will do. And this is pretty much the last chance I’m going to give you before I write you off as some troublemaking atheist troll.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You know what ? I changed my mind. Don’t bother. Your mantra is all you’ve got

I’m sure we will all be able to recite it soon enough.

 

[I Love An Atheist]

I don't have any group in mind. I think many denominations are political and end up filling the pews with the choir, preaching only to them, while driving away the folks who think differently.

This assertion doesn't hold up under analysis. It could only be true if a) All the church pastors and priests were conservative in every denomination and b) All they preached from the pulpit was politics.

In reality, people have liberal church denominations to choose from. Catholics are the biggest swing voter bloc in the U.S.

And just because there are groups out there like Focus on the Family and others, it doesn't mean most conservative pastors are preaching politics from the pulpit.

In fact, I'm sure you must realize a church can lose tax exempt status that way.

 

[Calminian]

The problem is, we drive away those who need to hear the gospel, replacing it with politics, and preaching to the choir instead.

Jesus did the same. He told people to stop sinning. Even called them vipers at times.

 

[carpro]

On the other hand, nice messages get people in the pews. And keep them there.

And sends them straight to hell. Soft pedaling the message of the gospels is lying to make them feel good about themselves. They will never repent and be saved while hearing that kind of message.

 

[carpro]

And just because there are groups out there like Focus on the Family and others, it doesn't mean most conservative pastors are preaching politics from the pulpit.

Liberals claim that is what is going on, but it's a lie.

The fact is preaching the gospel will lead Christians away from any form of liberalism if they are interested in living a Godly life.

And liberals insist that preaching the gospel is "preaching politics". The reasons are obvious.

 

[just-want-peace]

Liberals claim that is what is going on, but it's a lie.

The fact is preaching the gospel will lead Christians away from any form of liberalism if they are interested in living a Godly life.

And liberals insist that preaching the gospel is "preaching politics". The reasons are obvious.

Preaching the Word AS WRITTEN is a thorn in the side of virtually every "important" liberal policy/practice!!
Abortion, homos, vulgarity, morality, honesty, integrity, ethics, just to name a few!!!

 

[church mouse guy]

The problem is, we drive away those who need to hear the gospel, replacing it with politics, and preaching to the choir instead.

Stay out of the Democrat churches then.

Mostly what I hear is thoughts against murder, abortion.

 

[1689Dave]

Stay out of the Democrat churches then.

How do you reach any you drive away by preaching politics? Preach against sin using the bible hoping for personal conviction and conversion. Politics only drives people away. And I predict it will come back and bite all who do so if it hasn't already.

 

[1689Dave]

Jesus did the same. He told people to stop sinning. Even called them vipers at times.

Yes, and we do this all the time. But you cannot do this if nobody but the choir listens to you. Because you run the ones you should be reaching out to - away.

 

[1689Dave]

This assertion doesn't hold up under analysis.

How so?

 

[1689Dave]

We preach to the members of the church. You got it wrong. People don’t come to church to get saved (though it does happen). People go to church because they ARE saved.

Should we preach against sin ?

Yes or no answer will do. And this is pretty much the last chance I’m going to give you before I write you off as some troublemaking atheist troll.

Most churches I've attended extend the opportunity to experience Christ personally to the unsaved in their midst. This is without exception in my local IFB churches.

But if only the choir remains, how do you preach the gospel? And who from a different political position would feel anything but hatred in a politically biased church? And how would they want anything to do with the Christ you represent? Look at the hatred between today's politically minded. Jesus says this is murder in the heart.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Your mantra is now a parody of itself. You are saying absolutely nothing.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

If I seek to counter the constant indoctrination of my flock the local media and cultural forces, I am going to be preaching on what you would term politics. Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago that Gavin Newsom was mayor of my city and Harvey Milk was on my Board of Supervisors. Our Lord told Peter to feed my sheep. So, I understand that a constant diet of such countering would lead to ill-fed sheep. However, due to local conditions, it must be done as a supplement much as sailors supplemented their diet with lemons back in the day.

How do you reach any you drive away by preaching politics? Preach against sin using the bible hoping for personal conviction and conversion. Politics only drives people away. And I predict it will come back and bite all who do so if it hasn't already.

 

[Calminian]

Most churches I've attended extend the opportunity to experience Christ personally to the unsaved in their midst. This is without exception in my local IFB churches.

But if only the choir remains, how do you preach the gospel? And who from a different political position would feel anything but hatred in a politically biased church? And how would they want anything to do with the Christ you represent? Look at the hatred between today's politically minded. Jesus says this is murder in the heart.

You speak of politics like it's amoral. Nothing could be further from the truth. Politics encompass the great moral issues of our time.

It's a myth to say that we have to be apolitical to reach the lost. This as akin to saying we have to be amoral to reach the lost.

The truth is, you can't separate the Gospel from your testimony and you can't separate your testimony from morality and you can't separate morality from politics. Good politics is a good testimony, which is vital to your Gospel presentation.

 

[church mouse guy]

How do you reach any you drive away by preaching politics? Preach against sin using the bible hoping for personal conviction and conversion. Politics only drives people away. And I predict it will come back and bite all who do so if it hasn't already.

It is the Democrat churches that are heavy on politics. Or in your case, the liberal churches. As I told you before, mostly what I hear from the pulpit is that abortion is murder and sometimes that sodomy is an abomination. You are not telling the Democrats to shut up, you are telling the GOP to shut up, aren't you?

 

[1689Dave]

It is the Democrat churches that are heavy on politics. Or in your case, the liberal churches. As I told you before, mostly what I hear from the pulpit is that abortion is murder and sometimes that sodomy is an abomination. You are not telling the Democrats to shut up, you are telling the GOP to shut up, aren't you?

Many times we assume our calling is one thing, when scripture says it is another. What about Paul's advise? “For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.” (1 Corinthians 2:2) (KJV 1900)

What is the best way to stop abortion? Or people receiving handouts? Certainly it is not speaking out against these evils, it is preaching Christ and the changes he makes in people's hearts will take care of the rest. But political hatred only drives them away.

 

[1689Dave]

You speak of politics like it's amoral. Nothing could be further from the truth. Politics encompass the great moral issues of our time.

It's a myth to say that we have to be apolitical to reach the lost. This as akin to saying we have to be amoral to reach the lost.

The truth is, you can't separate the Gospel from your testimony and you can't separate your testimony from morality and you can't separate morality from politics. Good politics is a good testimony, which is vital to your Gospel presentation.

What stops abortion most? Politics? This hasn't worked since 1974. How about changed hearts for Christ?

 

[1689Dave]

If I seek to counter the constant indoctrination of my flock the local media and cultural forces, I am going to be preaching on what you would term politics. Keep in mind it wasn't that long ago that Gavin Newsom was mayor of my city and Harvey Milk was on my Board of Supervisors. Our Lord told Peter to feed my sheep. So, I understand that a constant diet of such countering would lead to ill-fed sheep. However, due to local conditions, it must be done as a supplement much as sailors supplemented their diet with lemons back in the day.

I can see this approach and it's probably good when preaching to the choir. But evangelism solves the big problem through lives changed by Jesus. Converts who repel media brainwashing like teflon, just as we do.