65% of white democrats don't believe in all knowing all powerful all loving God

[1689Dave]

Your mantra is now a parody of itself. You are saying absolutely nothing.

I appreciate your comments and I will do some soul searching on the matter.

 

[Calminian]

What stops abortion most? Politics? This hasn't worked since 1974. Or changed hearts for Christ?

Politics is the only thing that could stop abortion, technically. That's not to say that the gospel and morality aren't the real issues. Of course they are. Slavery was a moral issue, and when that moral argument was won, political changes were made possible. Same is true with abortion. It needs to start in the Church, just like the abolitionist movement was started in the Church. Christians needs to speak out against abortion intelligently. It's part of our testimony.

 

[Calminian]

I can see this approach and it's probably good when preaching to the choir. But evangelism solves the big problem through lives changed by Jesus. Converts who repel media brainwashing like teflon, just as we do.

You know it's interesting, I wasn't a part of the choir when I first heard a pastor preaching against abortion. I changed my mind based on good arguments from godly men. Same is true of my wife. I think you're underestimating the power of truth.

 

[1689Dave]

Politics is the only thing that could stop abortion, technically.

Hasn't worked since day one. If it ever does, it drive it underground. But proclaiming the gospel works miracles.

 

[1689Dave]

You know it's interesting, I wasn't a part of the choir when I first heard a pastor preaching against abortion. I changed my mind based on good arguments from godly men. Same is true of my wife. I think you're underestimating the power of truth.

Did the anti abortion message save you? How could you follow Christ and not already know abortion is evil?

 

[Calminian]

What stops abortion most? Politics? This hasn't worked since 1974. How about changed hearts for Christ?

I'd be curious why you think this is a disagreement. I said that same thing, in essence. The only thing I can think of is, we have 2 different ideas of what the Gospel is. I don't believe the Gospel can be separated from testimony and morality. Do you?

 

[1689Dave]

I'd be curious why you think this is a disagreement. I said that same thing, in essence. The only thing I can think of is, we have 2 different ideas of what the Gospel is. I don't believe the Gospel can be separated from testimony and morality. Do you?

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” (1 Corinthians 15:3–4) (KJV 1900)


“For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” (2 Corinthians 11:4) (KJV 1900)

 

[Calminian]

Did the anti abortion message save you? How could you follow Christ and not already know abortion is evil?

In essence, preachers preaching on morality helped me understand faith and repentance which is part of the Gospel, and helped me understand why the world needed a Savior. There is a phrase for what you're advocating. It's called antinomianism. I think this is a huge mistake in the Church. You can't separate the Gospel from testimony, and you can't separate testimony from morality.

"hey, I don't really care about all those babies being murdered. I'd rather tell you about how Jesus has made me a better person."

I think you can see this doesn't really work. Jesus not only died for our sins, he changed us. He helps us turn from sin. How can we then turn around and say sin no longer matters?

 

[Calminian]

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” (1 Corinthians 15:3–4) (KJV 1900)


“For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” (2 Corinthians 11:4) (KJV 1900)

Amen, but that's not the whole Gospel. The Gospel starts in Genesis when Adam fell into sin. If you leave that out you will be preaching a very confusing message in our modern culture who reject the entire notion of sin.

 

[1689Dave]

Amen, but that's not the whole Gospel. The Gospel starts in Genesis when Adam fell into sin. If you leave that out you will be preaching a very confusing message in our modern culture who reject the entire notion of sin.

What is the full gospel Paul preached?

 

[Calminian]

What is the full gospel Paul preached?

Go to Mars Hill in Acts 17 for starters. Notice where Paul started.

The Gospel should always start in the beginning. If people don't understand the bad news, they'll never understand the good news. You can't eliminate sin from the Gospel.

 

[1689Dave]

In essence, preachers preaching on morality helped me understand faith and repentance which is part of the Gospel, and helped me understand why the world needed a Savior. There is a phrase for what you're advocating. It's called antinomianism. I think this is a huge mistake in the Church. You can't separate the Gospel from testimony, and you can't separate testimony from morality.

But how do you avoid driving people away who are of different political bias? How would a KKK church attract black folk. That is an extreme, but it is an example of why we need to ditch political rhetoric.

 

[Calminian]

But how do you avoid driving people away who are of different political bias? How would a KKK church attract black folk. That is an extreme, but it is an example of why we need to ditch political rhetoric.

Wow! I'll refrain from drawing too many inferences from this.

First, it's not your job to save people. Only God can save. You're a mere tool in His hands and your job is to speak biblical truth. Sometimes it will drive people away, sometimes it will draw them. Christ himself was hated by most, and solely for telling the truth.

Truth is our only hope to save the world. If you leave out the bad news of the Fall, the gospel will become foolish to them. We can't abandon preaching against sin. If there's no sin, there's no need for the Cross.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You know it's interesting, I wasn't a part of the choir when I first heard a pastor preaching against abortion. I changed my mind based on good arguments from godly men. Same is true of my wife. I think you're underestimating the power of truth.

Oh he knows the power of truth, that’s why he’s saying we shouldn’t allow it in our church.

 

[1689Dave]

Go to Mars Hill in Acts 17 for starters. Notice where Paul started.

The Gospel should always start in the beginning. If people don't understand the bad news, they'll never understand the good news. You can't eliminate sin from the Gospel.

If you can steer an abortionist in the right direction using politics, it will be a first. But if you leave politics out of it and preach the simple gospel, God softens and changes the hardest hearts through it. Supernaturally.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

But how do you avoid driving people away who are of different political bias? How would a KKK church attract black folk. That is an extreme, but it is an example of why we need to ditch political rhetoric.

Absolutely absurd.

 

[1689Dave]

Wow! I'll refrain from drawing too many inferences from this.

Do you realize the level of hatred in America over politics?

 

[1689Dave]

Absolutely absurd.

How is political hatred between the parties in America any less? We need to drop politics and preach Jesus.

 

[Calminian]

If you can steer an abortionist in the right direction using politics, it will be a first. But if you leave politics out of it and preach the simple gospel, God softens and changes the hardest hearts through it. Supernaturally.

What do you mean by "using politics?" You steer the abortionist by speaking truth. I want to be a source of truth, and truth transcends politics and everything else. Christ told the woman at the well to sin no more. That includes all sins, including political sins.

 

[1689Dave]

Oh he knows the power of truth, that’s why he’s saying we shouldn’t allow it in our church.

You attract more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.