Acts 2.38 is to Israel not gentiles

[Barry Johnson]

No from reading the text. Peter was speaking to a particular people and not the whole world in general. Read the text.

Acts 2 .
36¶Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Clearly Peter is not addressing Gentiles ( non Israel / Jews)

 

[Barry Johnson]

Okay that refers to the Sheep Jn 10:11,15 Who did Jesus specifically say that He died for there?

John10
37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Notice Jesus doesn't say here " i do the works of my Father, you are unable to believe. Because you were not chosen to be saved .

Jesus is actually reasoning with them as if they are responsible to believe.

 

[Brightfame52]

Why would you go to another verse unrelated, addressing Jews, pre crucifixion ? This is terrible bible study .
John 12 .32

Its terrible bible study on your behalf. Jews were not the only Sheep Christ had, He made that clear Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The Other Sheep not of the jewish fold are Gentiles. Christ laid down His life for more than just jews. Thats what 1 Jn 2:2 intimates.

 

[Barry Johnson]

Its terrible bible study on your behalf. Jews were not the only Sheep Christ had, He made that clear Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The Other Sheep not of the jewish fold are Gentiles. Christ laid down His life for more than just jews. Thats what 1 Jn 2:2 intimates.

Jesus died for the whole world . His death is not what saves. This is the blindness of Calvinism. You think you were saved by his death. So its hard for a calv to read verses which make clear its for the whole world , because you think this means universalism lol this is the nonsense Calvinsm teaches . I would say it takes at least 2 years to break out of the false teaching of the 5 points .

 

[Barry Johnson]

Its terrible bible study on your behalf. Jews were not the only Sheep Christ had, He made that clear Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The Other Sheep not of the jewish fold are Gentiles. Christ laid down His life for more than just jews. Thats what 1 Jn 2:2 intimates.

Other ( sheep ) Jews from other tribes . Notice he doesn't say gentiles does he ?

Matthew 15:24

“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

 

[Brightfame52]

Why would you go to another verse unrelated, addressing Jews, pre crucifixion ? This is terrible bible study .
John 12 .32

That refers to the Sheep that He draws bring to Himself. Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

That word bring ἄγω means to lead, bring, carry
Usage: I lead, lead away, bring (a person, or animal), guide, spend a day, go

to more, impel, of forces and influences affecting the mind

Its the same as to draw. So Jesus is still talking about His Sheep that He lay His Life down for Jn 10:11,15 He will draw all of them to Himself.

 

[Brightfame52]

He hadn't died then .

Doesn't matter, He still specifically stated who He was going to die for. So what's your point ?

 

[Brightfame52]

Other ( sheep ) Jews from other tribes . Notice he doesn't say gentiles does he ?

Matthew 15:24

“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

That scripture proves the limited scope of His death, for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The woman He was speaking to was a Gentile. That was part of the Mystery, that Gentiles belonged to Spiritual House of Israel, she was one of His Lost Sheep He came to save.

 

[Brightfame52]

barry

Other ( sheep ) Jews from other tribes . Notice he doesn't say gentiles does he ?

I disagree, all the jewish tribes were of the same fold, Israel. Hes talking about Gentiles. Sounds like you making Christs death about ethnicity, thats error and respect of persons. Christ laid down His life for people of all ethnicities.

 

[Barry Johnson]

That refers to the Sheep that He draws bring to Himself. Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

That word bring ἄγω means to lead, bring, carry
Usage: I lead, lead away, bring (a person, or animal), guide, spend a day, go

to more, impel, of forces and influences affecting the mind

Its the same as to draw. So Jesus is still talking about His Sheep that He lay His Life down for Jn 10:11,15 He will draw all of them to Himself.

Same word in John 12.32 ' draw ' .

 

[Barry Johnson]

Doesn't matter, He still specifically stated who He was going to die for. So what's your point ?

That Calvinism is false doctrine . All 5 points are anti biblical . Your following false teaching . And your furthering it .

 

[Barry Johnson]

That scripture proves the limited scope of His death, for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The woman He was speaking to was a Gentile. That was part of the Mystery, that Gentiles belonged to Spiritual House of Israel, she was one of His Lost Sheep He came to save.

The mystery is the Jew / Gentile 'one body '. Which is revealed by Paul .

 

[Barry Johnson]

That scripture proves the limited scope of His death, for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The woman He was speaking to was a Gentile. That was part of the Mystery, that Gentiles belonged to Spiritual House of Israel, she was one of His Lost Sheep He came to save.

There is no limited 'scope 'of the atonement. How ridiculous. This is God we are talking about . What your following is Augustines nonsense .

 

[Barry Johnson]

That scripture proves the limited scope of His death, for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The woman He was speaking to was a Gentile. That was part of the Mystery, that Gentiles belonged to Spiritual House of Israel, she was one of His Lost Sheep He came to save.

Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)

Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)

When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.
Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)

Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).

The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)

The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)

What Calvinists call “the golden chain of redemption” contains no direct reference to the atonement. (Rom. 8:29-30)

Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)

Salvation is eternally secured by the sealing of the spirit, not “election.” (Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Cor. 1:22)

 

[Barry Johnson]

Doesn't matter, He still specifically stated who He was going to die for. So what's your point ?

Negative inference fallacy. Jesus did not say at any time " I m going to only die for the sins of a select group "

 

[Brightfame52]

That Calvinism is false doctrine . All 5 points are anti biblical . Your following false teaching . And your furthering it .

Call it what you will, its not changing the fact that Jesus Christ was very specific for who He would die. His Sheep.

 

[Brightfame52]

The mystery is the Jew / Gentile 'one body '. Which is revealed by Paul .

Correct, that One Body Spiritually is the House of Israel.

 

[Brightfame52]

There is no limited 'scope 'of the atonement. How ridiculous. This is God we are talking about . What your following is Augustines nonsense .

Oh Yes it is, its limited to the Sheep. Jn 10

 

[Brightfame52]

Negative inference fallacy. Jesus did not say at any time " I m going to only die for the sins of a select group "

He specified a group in Jn 10. To go beyond that is speculation.

 

[Brightfame52]

Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)

Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)

When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.
Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)

Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).

The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)

The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)

What Calvinists call “the golden chain of redemption” contains no direct reference to the atonement. (Rom. 8:29-30)

Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)

Salvation is eternally secured by the sealing of the spirit, not “election.” (Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Cor. 1:22)

His death saves also from the penalty of sin. Everyone He died for has their sins forgiven legally before the law and justice of God. Now true, later they are saved experimentally by the quickening of the Spirit sent by Christ to them He died for.