Adam versus believers

[Quantrill]

I'm saying when you see someone say "abc" and then claim that is a "deep truth of God", or "the plain meaning", "natural reading", or "obvious meaning" of a text then you need to watch out because you are addressing someone who is a false teacher (either intentionally or out of ignorance). Those words are used when people who cannot defend their positions want to puff up their words to the level of Scripture.

I am not saying anyone is adding to Scripture. I tell my son to be careful crossing the road. That does not mean I just saw someone get hit by a car.

Oh, I see. You just felt like adding a piece of wisdom that had nothing to do with what was being said. Just wanted to interject that. Sure....

The words you are using, are used by people who say things, then crawfish.

Do you savy crawfish?

Quantrill

 

[JonC]

I am saying you brought it up in the context of the discussion. Thus you have someone in mind. Don't say you just felt like making a good point out of the blue.

If you're sure you can find an example of who is adding to Scripture here, then by all means, tell me. Again, you made the claim.

Quantrill

No. I like making points out of the blue. The older I get the more I like it.

 

[JonC]

Oh, I see. You just felt like adding a piece of wisdom that had nothing to do with what was being said. Just wanted to interject that. Sure....

The words you are using, are used by people who say things, then crawfish.

Do you savy crawfish?

Quantrill

Yes.I just wanted to say that so I did.

Some times us men just say what they want to say.

I do like crawfish. I like oysters and blue crabs better, but crawfish are good.

 

[Quantrill]

No. I like making points out of the blue. The older I get the more I like it.

And i don't believe you.

You make accusation and cannot back it up.

Quantrill

 

[JonC]

And i don't believe you.

You make accusation and cannot back it up.

Quantrill

Made what accusation? Why would I care what you believe?

 

[Quantrill]

Yes.I just wanted to say that so I did.

Some times us men just say what they want to say.

I do like crawfish. I like oysters and blue crabs better, but crawfish are good.

And I don't believe you. You said something, but can't back it up.

Crawfish.

Quantrill

 

[JonC]

And I don't believe you. You said something, but can't back it up.

Crawfish.

Quantrill

Back what up, son? I do not know what you are talking about.

 

[Quantrill]

Made what accusation? Why would I care what you believe?

Why do you care what anyone believes? As you are now saying, you just spoke out of the blue.

Crawfish.

Quantrill

 

[JonC]

Why do you care what anyone believes? As you are now saying, you just spoke out of the blue.

Crawfish.

Quantrill

I care that people are lost because we are called to share the gospel of Christ.

 

[Quantrill]

Back what up, son? I do not know what you are talking about.

No, you do not know what you're talking about.

Crawfish.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

I care that people are lost because we are called to share the gospel of Christ.

Oh that's deep. Just forget about all you have said. You just love Jesus. OK.

Crawfish.

Quantrill

 

[JonC]

No, you do not know what you're talking about.

Crawfish.

Quantrill

I know that "crawfish" means someone is more attractive in a photo than in real life. As you must find my photo attractive, I need to let you know I am happily married and not interested.

 

[JonC]

Oh that's deep. Just forget about all you have said. You just love Jesus. OK.

I still mean what I said. Scripture is objective. You may complain but you are not going to change my mind. It us written and NOT subject to change.

And yes, buttercup, I also love Jesus.

 

[Quantrill]

I know that "crawfish" means someone is more attractive in a photo than in real life. As you must find my photo attractive, I need to let you know I am happily married and not interested.

Vomit.

You have nothing to offer to the discussion and now must avoid.

Crawfish.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

I still mean what I said. Scripture is objective. You may complain but you are not going to change my mind. It us written and NOT subject to change.

And yes, buttercup, I also love Jesus.

No you don't. You can't back up what you say. You make accusations but cannot back them up. Again, who is adding to Scripture?

Quantrill

 

[JonC]

Vomit.

You have nothing to offer to the discussion and now must avoid.

Crawfish.

Quantrill

You are the one finding my photo attractive.

 

[Quantrill]

JonC@

What a manipulation you did of both your and my posts.

Quantrill

 

[JonC]

No you don't. You can't back up what you say. You make accusations but cannot back them up. Again, who is adding to Scripture?

Quantrill

Ok, let's see if I can.

I have made the claim that it is wrong to elevate our understanding to the level of God's Word. You object tooth and nail.

Proverbs 3:5-6 tells us to trust in the Lord with all our heart and lean not on our own understanding and in all our ways submit to God and he will direct our way.

In Isaiah 55:8 God tells us that His thoughts are not our thoughts, and His ways are not our ways.

That should be enough to prove it is wrong to elevate our words to the level of God's word and to add to Scripture.

Why do you reject the truth that it is wrong to add to God's Word? It seems you may be suggesting that the Bible is a man-made book, but Scripture itself affirms it is "God breathed" (it is God's Words, not man's words but God working through men). If men equate their understanding of Scripture to Scripture itself they are essentially putting themselves in place of God.

You seem to suggest that Scripture is subjective. The problem with this idea is you can have no truth because you become the determining factor of what to believe or what to add.

Instead Scripture is the Word of God, it is objective, immutable, and the standard by which our understanding and doctrine is measured.

You will not change my mind on that point.

 

[JonC]

@Quantrill ,

I have defended my post. You defend yours.

My claim is it is wrong to add to scripture, that we cannot hold our understanding as if it is scripture but rather weigh our understanding against the Bible.

You have objected strongly to my position so answer a few questions:

When and why do you believe it is permissible to add to the Bible?

If you elevate doctrine to the level of scripture then against what will you test that doctrine?

If you view our words equal to God's Words, then how is that not placing ourselves in the place of God?

 

[JonC]

Adam sinned and he died, which means he was alive before his sin.

Did Adam possess eternal life that he lost upon sinning?

If yes, can believers similarly lose eternal life?

If no, did God create a spiritually dead Adam? What exactly happened at Adam's death in Eden?

To being the thread back on topic.

My answer is no, Adam was not created with eternal life as evidenced by his death.

God created Adam flesh (either human body, human soul, and human spirit or human soul, human body/ spirit).