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All are saved by grace.

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GoodTidings

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The bible says faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,” (Galatians 5:22)

Try picking an apple where an apple tree does not exist.
But that does not mean that an unbeliever cannot exercise saving faith when they trust in Jesus. We are saved by grace through faith. So a measure of faith MUST exist prior to salvation to be saved through it.
 

1689Dave

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But that does not mean that an unbeliever cannot exercise saving faith when they trust in Jesus. We are saved by grace through faith. So a measure of faith MUST exist prior to salvation to be saved through it.
Believing with the flesh cannot save. The Catholics use this in their sacramental scheme. Only Holy Spirit faith saves.
 

GoodTidings

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Believing with the flesh cannot save. The Catholics use this in their sacramental scheme. Only Holy Spirit faith saves.
Saying yes to the Gospel is what is required. Placing one's faith in Jesus when one hears the Gospel is how we are saved. You are setting up an idea that is not expressed in the Bible. The faith by which we are saved is a different category than the faith spoken of as a fruit of the Spirit.
 

1689Dave

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Saying yes to the Gospel is what is required. Placing one's faith in Jesus when one hears the Gospel is how we are saved. You are setting up an idea that is not expressed in the Bible. The faith by which we are saved is a different category than the faith spoken of as a fruit of the Spirit.
Only born again people say yes to the gospel. The rest think it is foolishness.
 

MB

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Dave you are denying what scripture actually says;
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
We are saved by grace through faith. If one does not have faith first for grace to come through one cannot be saved.
MB
 

GoodTidings

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Jesus is the author and finisher (beginning and end) of our faith.
Yes, but that does not address what I said. You cannot be born again prior to having saving faith. Sorry, but you are pushing a theology that is not rooted in sound doctrine.
 

1689Dave

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Dave you are denying what scripture actually says;
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
We are saved by grace through faith. If one does not have faith first for grace to come through one cannot be saved.
MB
Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit (salvation).
 

GoodTidings

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They can't say yes to Jesus unless they are born again. They think it's foolishness otherwise.
No, that is not biblical and you are in serious error when it comes to something as basic as salvation. The Bible teaches that we are to place faith in Christ first then we are saved.
 
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